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bespoke radio for the masses headline

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additionally july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly

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our differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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feed the black

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how you doing today's tuesday april 9

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99 days into the new year just

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live from a bunker somewhere in the

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middle of beautiful downtown burbank

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california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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the game changer network and kg r a the

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what is cracking everybody how you doing

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yeah it's gonna go down tonight on bay

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tonight we have very special guest with

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us adam curry

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adam curry he is here for the first time

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we'll talk about that at the bottom of

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he's here for the first time discussing

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memory and the mandela effect

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and stay tuned kids

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because tonight we are going to do

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an experiment

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with all of you we're going to do that

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live and more on that in just a bit and

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do not i didn't want to uh pollute

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things so i don't know i don't know what

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going to do that tonight it'll be a

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all of you live and i do want to remind

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and author mj binayas is going to be

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new book it is called the ufo people and

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with open lines all night long that is

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our week here last night we have billy

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uh here on fade to black and we we

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managed to do that every single week

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don't we uh just absolutely amazing

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go that's our week

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and uh let's get this night started

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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that's step number one

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at j church radio all of the new

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tonight for the first time uh this is a

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uh twitter is always up and live in

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church radio the conversation is called

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just like dude are you listening

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jimmychurchradio.com email is jimmy

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everything is just sounding crisp and

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clear and and those gremlins are gone i

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straight to the breaking news

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very sad to announce today

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best known for his roles by uh directors

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and with wes anderson you know that

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movies of all time

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and the royal tenon bombs and uh seymour

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even a funnier role he played uh the

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great actor uh seymour caselle rest in

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news actress lori laughlin and 15 other

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wealthy parents now face an additional

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of money laundering as part of the

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growing college admissions scandal the

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parents who were charged last month with

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conspiracy to commit fraud were charged

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today in a superseding indictment with

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conspiring to launder bribes and other

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payments through a charity run by rick

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singer the mastermind of the scam as

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well as by transferring money into the

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united states to promote the fraud

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hoffman felicity huffman pleaded guilty

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her husband massimo

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were not on that list

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of a massive winter storm expected to

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run from tuesday night tonight

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all the way through thursday yes

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to 36 million people and let's not

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we're now into global cooling

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but everybody wanted right

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be careful what you wish for

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all right now in the creepiest news

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that's what this falls under

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i bring you this the world bank group

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to rank countries

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showed poor african countries fared the

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worst in the rankings with chad and

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south sudan taking the two lowest spots

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1984 is here

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all right huge news uh is coming

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are you ready for this

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scientists from the event horizon

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telescope collaboration

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the first image ever

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of a black hole

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in their attempt to capture an image of

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a black hole scientists combine the

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of eight radio telescopes around the

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world using very long baseline are you

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interferometry

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and focus it on sagittarius a

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which is 26 000 light years away now

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in the media prelude announcement to

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huge announcement in the release of this

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this is uh quite possibly the

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in a very very very long time so

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i'm excited i'm

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excited i'm excited

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sagittarius a 26 000 light years away

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why can't they shoot the black hole

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that's in the center of our milky way

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yeah yeah i don't know okay so there you

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go it's going down tomorrow on april

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10th now i want to remind everybody to

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get the surfer music streaming app

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that's s u r f r dot f m surfer the

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tonight adam curry is with us adam curry

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is going to be at contact in the desert

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this may 31st through june 3rd in indian

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wells palm springs california

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and of course we will be there

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and it will be at the renaissance indian

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wells resort and spa tickets and info

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are over at contact in the desert dot

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com we are doing three events that

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weekend three fade to black events of

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course we're broadcasting live on friday

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night with a studio audience like we do

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every year saturday night i am hosting

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the awards dinner

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and you need to get separate tickets for

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that and i encourage all of you to go

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and do that because i want all fader

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knots there in your fade to black

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t-shirts and that saturday night and

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then sunday night i'm hosting the uh

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closing

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uh panel that i do every year on sunday

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night and

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then the closing ceremonies which will

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be right after that okay and then coming

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up it is our 2019 soltech conference

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it is over the july 4th weekend at the

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colorado you can sign up for tickets and

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seoultechgathering.com got a beautiful

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website right there for you to check out

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you can click on the banner so just

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and we've got a full schedule and bios

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of that everything that you need is

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right there soul tech is where we teach

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it is a classroom environment it is

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absolutely amazing

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and we take care of everything so go and

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do it now soul tech gathering

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the july 4th weekend and rumor does have

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it

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that we're going to have a cook-off

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that's right a kook-off sagittarius a is

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the supermassive black hole at the

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center of our galaxy you will be pleased

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to know

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and that is from corby ways

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uh so the center of our galaxy is only

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20 000 light years 26 000 light years

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away

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is that right

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corby

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is that right

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i want to make sure here let's not

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spread the wrong information

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but but i'll give you credit if that is

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indeed right i thought that was much

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further

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away okay

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all right don't forget to subscribe to

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an official fader not

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over in our

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membership section on the side i'm

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looking at these tweets

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and uh you guys are too smart see i i

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don't

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understand you know i i'm not a

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scientist i don't understand the stuff

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but apparently

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you guys are you guys are the smartest

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out there let's get this show cracking

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right now

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happy birthday to today my chemical

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romance front man

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gerard way

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today is 42 and i did that

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for my daughters

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my daughters

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growing up you know was weird because i

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remember the posters that i had in my

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bedroom i had a black sabbath poster i

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had a poster of chicago

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i had a kiss poster that came out of

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like

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ah kiss double platinum or something had

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a poster in it but anyway

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kiss army poster my daughters

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my chemical romance

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everywhere

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it was uh

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it was crazy and i got to actually

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like the band so there you go happy

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birthday today to gerard way 42 years

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old also today dennis quaid

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dennis quaid today is 65 years old on

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this day in history and it was a biggen

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is a big 1959 nasa

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introduces america's first astronauts to

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the press

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scott carpenter gordon cooper john glenn

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gus grissom walter shira

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alan shepard and donald d

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slaton

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on this day in 1959

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here's your fader fact

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toilet paper

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sold for home use

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in france

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is

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yep

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that

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all right tonight very special guest

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adam curry is here

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and he is here for the first time and we

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will be discussing all of his research

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into the collective consciousness and

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memory

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and what consciousness is and the

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mandela effect

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and all of his exciting research that he

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has been doing over the years so that is

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tonight

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and later on in the show we will be

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performing

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an experiment with all of you so get

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ready for that and we'll get the results

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of the experiment tonight from you

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during the show tomorrow night ufo

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researcher and author mj binayas is here

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and we're going to talk about his new

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book the ufo people it is a fascinating

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read and i believe it releases

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tomorrow

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yeah the ufo people i you know i got the

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advanced copy i've already read it it's

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a great read thursday night is another

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fader night with open lines

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all night long and this is the point of

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the show

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and i need it

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and the reason why i needed is this

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i am constantly thinking about

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what is it it's one of the most debated

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subjects

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period

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not only in our community but with

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science

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religion

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philosophy

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everybody's arguing everybody knows

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but nobody really knows the true answer

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right although it seems like we're

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getting close

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and

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about when i when i uh address these

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very simple issues

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you know downloading our memories onto a

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chip you know immortality or maybe to

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travel the stars interstellar maybe move

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this into an android body or robot you

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know whatever would you do it i ask

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these questions all the time and i'm

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wondering you know because i love the

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movie tron

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lays it out right there

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right but

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what about

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what makes you you

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how does that transfer

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you see

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here's the thing and here's the real

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deal

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we all have brains

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right allegedly

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you know which we do we all have brains

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and they all operate the same

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allegedly

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right they do

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and if that is the case where all of the

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neurons and all of those connections and

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the

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that are happening at any moment that

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essentially

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everything is operating the same way

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much like a computer by the way well if

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that is the case

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then why aren't we all just the same

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why are we robots

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right making all the same decisions

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liking all the same things may you know

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not even liking

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right what makes us different

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we can't figure that part out

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that possibly

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everything

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that we do

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you know over periods of time and i'm

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talking about seconds nanoseconds that

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everything that we do that it's so

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complex

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is what makes us different that's one

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idea and it that kind of makes sense but

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i don't even go down that road

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because that's a mechanical road

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we see we hear we taste and feel things

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differently

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you don't feel them all the same

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and it's really a simple concept i like

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black pants you like blue

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i don't know what the difference we see

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the same colors but we see those colors

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differently what what appeals to you

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you know why do uh why do i hate

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brussels sprouts

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and i'll i'll watch people shovel brush

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just

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like oh that's the most i can't even

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stand the smell right

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but that's what makes us all different

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it's a fundamental thing and when i'm

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when i crack the joke you know god

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invented vanilla and chocolate ice cream

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so we could all make choices right well

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think about the the

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you see one side of science

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actually thinks

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that all of nature is mechanical

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it's mechanical

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right it's it's ones and zeros it's math

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it just happens

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literally

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nature runs like a machine that nature

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is a machine that nature is mechanical

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which includes us

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and this is where the debate gets nasty

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it does because it doesn't make any

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sense does it

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and and that consciousness part that

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makes us us

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if it's not really part of what is

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electrical and what is mechanical which

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i i just don't think that it is

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i don't but i don't have all the answers

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right

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then what happens to that consciousness

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where does it go well again that's

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another debate and it gets it gets

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bigger and more complicated as we start

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to look at it and try to answer these

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questions and ask more questions

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so it comes down to some fundamental

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things here what will it take to get the

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answer

577
00:24:31,750 --> 00:24:29,600
what will it take

578
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:31,760
what would it take to get everyone to

579
00:24:39,269 --> 00:24:36,080
agree as to what consciousness really is

580
00:24:41,750 --> 00:24:39,279
you know and i i'm not so sure i know

581
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:41,760
it does remind me

582
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:44,080
it would be something like this dramatic

583
00:24:50,789 --> 00:24:48,080
it reminds me of the end of the movie uh

584
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:50,799
spielberg um ai

585
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:52,880
reminds me of the movie ai

586
00:25:05,909 --> 00:25:03,269
his character david

587
00:25:07,830 --> 00:25:05,919
is on a quest for

588
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:07,840
a blue mermaid i think it's a blue

589
00:25:11,669 --> 00:25:09,840
mermaid i i could be destroying the

590
00:25:13,669 --> 00:25:11,679
movie right now but i think it's a blue

591
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:13,679
mermaid right and that's that's his

592
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:16,240
quest in the movie and in the end of the

593
00:25:19,430 --> 00:25:17,360
movie

594
00:25:22,149 --> 00:25:19,440
him and uh

595
00:25:23,990 --> 00:25:22,159
oh i can't remember the android that's

596
00:25:26,470 --> 00:25:24,000
with him uh

597
00:25:29,269 --> 00:25:26,480
uh they you know they get in that little

598
00:25:32,230 --> 00:25:29,279
ship and they they get under the ocean

599
00:25:33,510 --> 00:25:32,240
they go down they cruise up david finds

600
00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:33,520
the mermaid

601
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:35,840
remember and he's looking

602
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:38,799
and that's it and then he's just and

603
00:25:43,029 --> 00:25:41,039
then his battery power runs out hundreds

604
00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:43,039
of years go by

605
00:25:45,029 --> 00:25:44,000
and

606
00:25:47,430 --> 00:25:45,039
then

607
00:25:48,390 --> 00:25:47,440
they they do a cut scene and in the cut

608
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,400
scene

609
00:25:54,390 --> 00:25:50,880
you see this craft going across now you

610
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:54,400
see new york and new york is under ice

611
00:25:58,230 --> 00:25:55,520
right

612
00:26:00,630 --> 00:25:58,240
and on this craft and it's a cube and

613
00:26:02,870 --> 00:26:00,640
it's one of the coolest uh craft that

614
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,880
i've ever seen conceptualized

615
00:26:06,630 --> 00:26:05,039
uh pretty original turns out that that's

616
00:26:08,630 --> 00:26:06,640
e.t

617
00:26:11,029 --> 00:26:08,640
right ct and they're piling in the craft

618
00:26:13,029 --> 00:26:11,039
and they go down you know and they're

619
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:13,039
they're cutting through the ice

620
00:26:16,710 --> 00:26:14,559
and somehow

621
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,720
they find david

622
00:26:19,990 --> 00:26:18,400
and david

623
00:26:24,870 --> 00:26:20,000
is frozen

624
00:26:28,950 --> 00:26:24,880
and he's there uh staring at the mermaid

625
00:26:32,070 --> 00:26:28,960
and david is like the last evidence

626
00:26:33,029 --> 00:26:32,080
that they have of what humans are or

627
00:26:35,350 --> 00:26:33,039
were

628
00:26:37,269 --> 00:26:35,360
so they revive david they revive his

629
00:26:39,430 --> 00:26:37,279
memory remember that but okay so that's

630
00:26:41,430 --> 00:26:39,440
not the point the point is

631
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:41,440
who e.t was

632
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,240
this evolved being right and they were

633
00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:46,400
light beings

634
00:26:52,070 --> 00:26:49,520
they turned out to be light

635
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,080
fully conscious

636
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:54,880
right where this body now

637
00:27:00,950 --> 00:26:58,320
is not what we would think you know

638
00:27:03,029 --> 00:27:00,960
a body something that you can touch

639
00:27:06,070 --> 00:27:03,039
they are light beings

640
00:27:08,149 --> 00:27:06,080
with consciousness

641
00:27:10,230 --> 00:27:08,159
think about that for a second

642
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:10,240
and when we get those answers when the

643
00:27:15,269 --> 00:27:11,760
answers come

644
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,279
you know us how we will evolve in 10 000

645
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,760
years are we going to be in these bodies

646
00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:19,200
of ours

647
00:27:22,149 --> 00:27:20,480
i don't know

648
00:27:23,750 --> 00:27:22,159
probably not

649
00:27:25,190 --> 00:27:23,760
but what about this

650
00:27:27,350 --> 00:27:25,200
our consciousness

651
00:27:29,190 --> 00:27:27,360
that's going to make those light being

652
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:29,200
bodies of ours

653
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:32,240
a million years in the future different

654
00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:34,559
that like different things

655
00:27:39,110 --> 00:27:36,720
think about that and that's what this

656
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:39,120
show was about tonight it is going to be

657
00:27:45,350 --> 00:27:42,640
an amazing conversation adam curry and

658
00:27:47,590 --> 00:27:45,360
his team has been studying this and

659
00:27:49,830 --> 00:27:47,600
working forward to what not only

660
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:49,840
consciousness is but collective

661
00:27:55,430 --> 00:27:52,559
consciousness and collective memories

662
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:55,440
and how we affect each other that's the

663
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,600
show tonight get ready it's going to be

664
00:28:01,029 --> 00:27:59,440
an amazing conversation i've been

665
00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:01,039
looking forward to this

666
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:04,799
for five years tonight adam curry is

667
00:28:09,029 --> 00:28:07,039
here i am your host jimmy church this is

668
00:28:11,590 --> 00:28:09,039
fade to black you can follow me on

669
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:11,600
twitter at jchurchradio you can follow

670
00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:15,520
adam curry at adam curry on twitter

671
00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:17,440
we've got it up right there and i'll be

672
00:28:20,710 --> 00:28:19,120
right back with tonight's guest adam

673
00:28:23,020 --> 00:28:20,720
curry right after this your break stay

674
00:28:37,269 --> 00:28:23,030
with us

675
00:28:40,570 --> 00:28:39,350
all right welcome back fade to black i

676
00:28:43,190 --> 00:28:40,580
am your host jimmy church

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00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,200
[Music]

678
00:28:46,870 --> 00:28:45,840
i cannot wait for this show to get

679
00:28:48,389 --> 00:28:46,880
started

680
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:48,399
tomorrow nights

681
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:50,799
mj banayas is going to be here

682
00:28:55,669 --> 00:28:53,279
going to talk about his new book the ufo

683
00:28:57,909 --> 00:28:55,679
people thursday is another fader night

684
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,919
open lines all night long tonight it's

685
00:29:02,389 --> 00:28:59,679
adam curry

686
00:29:03,669 --> 00:29:02,399
adam is an inventor he's a a tech

687
00:29:06,389 --> 00:29:03,679
entrepreneur

688
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:06,399
in silicon valley his background is in

689
00:29:09,590 --> 00:29:08,159
traditional hardware and software

690
00:29:11,110 --> 00:29:09,600
startups

691
00:29:13,590 --> 00:29:11,120
and in the scientific study of

692
00:29:16,230 --> 00:29:13,600
consciousness having spent over 10 years

693
00:29:18,630 --> 00:29:16,240
in its research community at places like

694
00:29:21,430 --> 00:29:18,640
princeton university's pear lab and the

695
00:29:25,110 --> 00:29:21,440
institute of noetic sciences he got a

696
00:29:26,950 --> 00:29:25,120
start in tech at the age of 17 when mit

697
00:29:29,909 --> 00:29:26,960
named an asteroid after him for

698
00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:29,919
inventing a new seismology device based

699
00:29:35,190 --> 00:29:32,720
on electrogravidix his work has been

700
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:35,200
featured on through the wormhole vice

701
00:29:39,990 --> 00:29:38,240
and elsewhere currently he is co-founder

702
00:29:41,590 --> 00:29:40,000
and manager of several companies based

703
00:29:44,470 --> 00:29:41,600
on new paradigm science including

704
00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:44,480
entangled which is a mobile app that

705
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:47,440
explores global consciousness

706
00:29:52,549 --> 00:29:50,080
is the mandela effect simply widespread

707
00:29:55,669 --> 00:29:52,559
false memory syndrome or could physical

708
00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:55,679
reality be shifting behind the scenes

709
00:29:59,350 --> 00:29:57,520
well tonight adam is going to discuss

710
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:59,360
some of the best examples of that effect

711
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,279
covering a variety of proposed

712
00:30:05,510 --> 00:30:03,440
explanations and we're going to talk

713
00:30:08,710 --> 00:30:05,520
about some of his adventures attempting

714
00:30:10,230 --> 00:30:08,720
to create many mandela effects

715
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:10,240
you never know what might happen on the

716
00:30:14,710 --> 00:30:12,640
show tonight right so get ready we're

717
00:30:15,990 --> 00:30:14,720
going to do all of this tonight

718
00:30:18,389 --> 00:30:16,000
and i would like to welcome for the

719
00:30:21,269 --> 00:30:18,399
first time to fade to black adam curry

720
00:30:22,789 --> 00:30:21,279
adam good evening man how are you

721
00:30:25,430 --> 00:30:22,799
good jimmy thanks for having me you know

722
00:30:27,029 --> 00:30:25,440
what uh this is where uh first off i get

723
00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:27,039
to give you the first time guest

724
00:30:31,750 --> 00:30:29,360
disclaimer so let's get that out of the

725
00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:31,760
way first okay which is it's just you

726
00:30:35,750 --> 00:30:34,240
and me sitting on my couch having a

727
00:30:37,669 --> 00:30:35,760
conversation as friends and where that

728
00:30:39,590 --> 00:30:37,679
conversation starts it starts where it

729
00:30:42,149 --> 00:30:39,600
ends it ends but we're gonna end his

730
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:42,159
friends okay that's the disclaimer so

731
00:30:45,190 --> 00:30:43,760
you ready to go

732
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:45,200
sounds good okay this is where we're

733
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:47,600
gonna start young man

734
00:30:51,430 --> 00:30:49,919
five years i've been trying to get you

735
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:51,440
on this show

736
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,640
five years and i need you to back me up

737
00:30:59,909 --> 00:30:56,559
on that bs

738
00:31:01,350 --> 00:30:59,919
where every opportunity where you and i

739
00:31:04,870 --> 00:31:01,360
have hung out

740
00:31:06,549 --> 00:31:04,880
i have said adam let's go it's go time

741
00:31:08,549 --> 00:31:06,559
and you said to me this is where i'm

742
00:31:10,789 --> 00:31:08,559
going to throw you under the bus

743
00:31:13,590 --> 00:31:10,799
soon jimmy it's going to be a couple of

744
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:13,600
months but i'm just about ready

745
00:31:19,110 --> 00:31:16,880
and and i've been pursuing you forever

746
00:31:20,710 --> 00:31:19,120
and so you know what this show means to

747
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:20,720
me tonight

748
00:31:25,750 --> 00:31:23,679
and it's been five long years and you

749
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:25,760
need to back me up how long have i been

750
00:31:31,269 --> 00:31:28,080
chasing you down

751
00:31:32,630 --> 00:31:31,279
about five long years but

752
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:32,640
i'm not that easy

753
00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:35,520
no you're not and and this is the thing

754
00:31:40,389 --> 00:31:38,559
um uh i've been following you you know

755
00:31:42,149 --> 00:31:40,399
we've been friends uh this this whole

756
00:31:44,310 --> 00:31:42,159
time and acquaintances and we've got a

757
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:44,320
lot of mutual friends between us

758
00:31:47,269 --> 00:31:45,440
and i've been trying to keep the

759
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:47,279
pressure on because as i've been

760
00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:49,200
following your research

761
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,200
i've been getting more and more excited

762
00:31:56,149 --> 00:31:53,279
but at the same time

763
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:56,159
the world has been tripping out too at

764
00:31:59,029 --> 00:31:57,840
the same you know and i've been watching

765
00:32:01,509 --> 00:31:59,039
this happen

766
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:01,519
knowing what you are working on and i

767
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:03,519
just needed to get you on the show the

768
00:32:08,310 --> 00:32:05,600
this audience needs to know what you're

769
00:32:10,389 --> 00:32:08,320
working on because it will help them try

770
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:10,399
to figure out what what is happening

771
00:32:17,029 --> 00:32:14,240
right now because everybody's tripping

772
00:32:20,710 --> 00:32:17,039
yeah well you know i have a bad bad

773
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:20,720
habit of creating

774
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:23,200
devices or ideas or something like that

775
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:25,600
that's about 10 years too early to hit

776
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:27,919
the wave of interest right but because

777
00:32:30,549 --> 00:32:28,960
i've been

778
00:32:33,669 --> 00:32:30,559
i think doing the consciousness and the

779
00:32:35,350 --> 00:32:33,679
mobile app stuff for for so long that uh

780
00:32:38,789 --> 00:32:35,360
now might actually be

781
00:32:40,070 --> 00:32:38,799
uh a situation in which time is uh

782
00:32:40,830 --> 00:32:40,080
in my favor

783
00:32:43,269 --> 00:32:40,840
well

784
00:32:44,789 --> 00:32:43,279
certainly and uh you know what's really

785
00:32:46,549 --> 00:32:44,799
funny is the

786
00:32:48,789 --> 00:32:46,559
uh we'll be talking about the mandela

787
00:32:52,789 --> 00:32:48,799
effect uh quite a bit tonight

788
00:32:55,190 --> 00:32:52,799
but that uh that happened all on its own

789
00:32:57,509 --> 00:32:55,200
certainly starting to validate your

790
00:32:59,669 --> 00:32:57,519
research too you couldn't get better

791
00:33:01,430 --> 00:32:59,679
promotion could you

792
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:01,440
no i've been really surprised you know

793
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:02,960
just uh

794
00:33:08,230 --> 00:33:05,919
i can go think about maybe 10

795
00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:08,240
to 5 years ago the the consciousness

796
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:09,679
word was something that you uttered

797
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,159
quietly right uh and particularly in

798
00:33:15,990 --> 00:33:14,000
academic calls and now the exact

799
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:16,000
opposite is true uh there's nothing

800
00:33:20,070 --> 00:33:17,840
short of a miniature revolution

801
00:33:21,509 --> 00:33:20,080
happening in in certain academic halls

802
00:33:22,789 --> 00:33:21,519
surrounding consciousness and certainly

803
00:33:24,789 --> 00:33:22,799
in the public in general it's really

804
00:33:27,029 --> 00:33:24,799
exciting yeah i remember you telling me

805
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:27,039
this was uh quite a while ago

806
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:28,080
and

807
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:35,440
you were working on

808
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:39,919
uh could prove or help to show that this

809
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,240
is possible and this is real and that

810
00:33:46,870 --> 00:33:44,720
was a good solid two years before the

811
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:46,880
mandela effect took hold

812
00:33:51,509 --> 00:33:49,440
but it was exactly what you were trying

813
00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:51,519
to suggest to everybody what was going

814
00:33:54,630 --> 00:33:53,039
on right

815
00:33:56,389 --> 00:33:54,640
that's right uh the

816
00:33:58,710 --> 00:33:56,399
consciousness effects that i was looking

817
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:58,720
at was probably related to something

818
00:34:01,909 --> 00:34:00,799
like how a mandela effect could exist

819
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,919
we'll get into the details of that a

820
00:34:06,310 --> 00:34:03,600
little bit later sure

821
00:34:07,990 --> 00:34:06,320
and uh so here we are tonight now we're

822
00:34:10,869 --> 00:34:08,000
going to be talking about

823
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:10,879
some pretty complex subjects and and

824
00:34:18,069 --> 00:34:13,520
nothing uh is more complex than than

825
00:34:20,069 --> 00:34:18,079
consciousness uh you know mind uh

826
00:34:22,750 --> 00:34:20,079
uh collective memories and collective

827
00:34:25,909 --> 00:34:22,760
consciousness these are very complex

828
00:34:26,790 --> 00:34:25,919
philosophical and scientific

829
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:26,800
uh

830
00:34:32,790 --> 00:34:30,399
i almost said debate actually it is

831
00:34:36,149 --> 00:34:32,800
actually that's exactly what it is

832
00:34:38,389 --> 00:34:36,159
and so when we start to move into this

833
00:34:39,589 --> 00:34:38,399
for you and this being part of your

834
00:34:42,869 --> 00:34:39,599
research

835
00:34:45,829 --> 00:34:42,879
nobody can really decide on a definition

836
00:34:49,270 --> 00:34:45,839
of consciousness or what it is or if it

837
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:49,280
exists but you have to start there

838
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,480
so for you what is your definition of

839
00:34:57,030 --> 00:34:54,879
consciousness

840
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:57,040
it's a famously difficult

841
00:35:02,710 --> 00:34:59,839
definition to uh to provide

842
00:35:05,829 --> 00:35:02,720
but to me consciousness means our minds

843
00:35:07,990 --> 00:35:05,839
it means the nature of our minds

844
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,000
it means our thoughts

845
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:10,160
and our intentions it's also

846
00:35:13,190 --> 00:35:11,920
the subjective side of our world our

847
00:35:14,870 --> 00:35:13,200
feelings

848
00:35:17,349 --> 00:35:14,880
our desires

849
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:17,359
our responses our internal world our

850
00:35:21,109 --> 00:35:18,880
internality

851
00:35:22,550 --> 00:35:21,119
um and you know the the question of what

852
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:22,560
is consciousness would be answered

853
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:24,480
differently depending on

854
00:35:31,109 --> 00:35:27,520
not just who you ask but when you ask

855
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:31,119
so in the ancient world i figure

856
00:35:35,349 --> 00:35:33,359
up until about the 1700s

857
00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,359
consciousness or mind was regarded to be

858
00:35:39,750 --> 00:35:37,440
sort of inextricable from god or from

859
00:35:41,910 --> 00:35:39,760
some sort of divine intelligence in the

860
00:35:43,990 --> 00:35:41,920
cosmos and

861
00:35:44,950 --> 00:35:44,000
those things and the physical world went

862
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:44,960
together

863
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,400
in a slightly mysterious but

864
00:35:54,390 --> 00:35:50,800
in a way that was a good fit

865
00:35:56,550 --> 00:35:54,400
and then in about the 1700s

866
00:35:59,990 --> 00:35:56,560
you had

867
00:36:02,870 --> 00:36:00,000
descartes come out with uh

868
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:02,880
his dualism right and what he was trying

869
00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:06,240
to do is basically create a political

870
00:36:12,630 --> 00:36:09,280
um basically broker a political data

871
00:36:13,990 --> 00:36:12,640
between the church who regarded the mind

872
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,000
and the natural world as their own

873
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:16,400
domain and burgeoning science who are

874
00:36:20,230 --> 00:36:18,720
trying to explain things phenomena in

875
00:36:21,349 --> 00:36:20,240
some sort of consistent scientific

876
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:21,359
framework

877
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,359
and rather than burn the scientists at

878
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:24,800
the stake

879
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:26,400
descartes basically

880
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,560
suggested something like dualism that is

881
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:31,440
the idea that the mind or consciousness

882
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:34,000
was separate from the

883
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:37,280
uh the physical world uh but that

884
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,079
god sort of uh breathed that

885
00:36:43,109 --> 00:36:42,000
consciousness into the world in the

886
00:36:45,190 --> 00:36:43,119
first place

887
00:36:48,710 --> 00:36:45,200
and you really had uh

888
00:36:50,310 --> 00:36:48,720
in his famous quote right therefore i am

889
00:36:52,710 --> 00:36:50,320
right

890
00:36:54,950 --> 00:36:52,720
and this kind of got codified in newton

891
00:36:56,790 --> 00:36:54,960
who created the the sort of newtonian

892
00:36:59,030 --> 00:36:56,800
mechanics of the clockwork universe

893
00:37:01,670 --> 00:36:59,040
where the whole cosmos was seen as this

894
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,680
uh sort of billiard ball clockwork

895
00:37:05,190 --> 00:37:03,760
universe and it was god's idea that sort

896
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:05,200
of set into motion

897
00:37:09,589 --> 00:37:07,440
and that worked really well until about

898
00:37:12,550 --> 00:37:09,599
the end of the last centuries around the

899
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:12,560
1900s and what happened then is you got

900
00:37:16,150 --> 00:37:14,079
materialism and that's sort of the

901
00:37:17,829 --> 00:37:16,160
dominant paradigm

902
00:37:19,349 --> 00:37:17,839
so if you were to ask what is

903
00:37:20,829 --> 00:37:19,359
consciousness

904
00:37:23,589 --> 00:37:20,839
today in

905
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:23,599
materialism which by the way is the idea

906
00:37:26,230 --> 00:37:24,480
that

907
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:26,240
there is no mind

908
00:37:30,470 --> 00:37:28,480
that everything that exists can be

909
00:37:32,390 --> 00:37:30,480
explained solely in terms of the known

910
00:37:34,310 --> 00:37:32,400
properties of matter so if you were to

911
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:34,320
ask what is consciousness today the

912
00:37:38,310 --> 00:37:36,320
materialist perspective would be that

913
00:37:40,870 --> 00:37:38,320
there is no such thing

914
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:40,880
consciousness is an illusion

915
00:37:45,589 --> 00:37:43,440
right it's what is known as what would

916
00:37:46,950 --> 00:37:45,599
be known as an epiphenomena of the brain

917
00:37:48,230 --> 00:37:46,960
meaning it's a

918
00:37:51,990 --> 00:37:48,240
secondary

919
00:37:53,910 --> 00:37:52,000
unimportant uh side effect of

920
00:37:55,349 --> 00:37:53,920
chemical and electrical activity

921
00:37:56,630 --> 00:37:55,359
happening inside the organ we call the

922
00:37:58,950 --> 00:37:56,640
brain right

923
00:38:01,270 --> 00:37:58,960
and that has basically been the answer

924
00:38:03,589 --> 00:38:01,280
that mainstream science would provide

925
00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:03,599
for the last hundred or so years

926
00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:06,240
but that's changing it is changing and

927
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:07,359
see this is

928
00:38:13,030 --> 00:38:08,240
a

929
00:38:15,349 --> 00:38:13,040
some some egocentric

930
00:38:18,390 --> 00:38:15,359
you know rock stars out there

931
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:18,400
like like dawkins who has got

932
00:38:25,109 --> 00:38:22,000
you know a huge following that believes

933
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:25,119
in everything that he says it's almost

934
00:38:28,630 --> 00:38:27,200
uh cult-like like

935
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:28,640
you know you know what i mean

936
00:38:33,510 --> 00:38:30,960
and and for him to suggest the

937
00:38:35,270 --> 00:38:33,520
mechanical aspect everything that's the

938
00:38:38,230 --> 00:38:35,280
answer to everything and that there

939
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,240
isn't anything else to ponder here that

940
00:38:43,030 --> 00:38:40,320
all the answers are are very simple and

941
00:38:46,069 --> 00:38:43,040
mechanical uh i i think couldn't be

942
00:38:47,910 --> 00:38:46,079
farther from the truth he's the one guy

943
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,920
adam he's the one guy that i would love

944
00:38:51,430 --> 00:38:49,200
to debate

945
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,440
and i don't have the

946
00:38:56,150 --> 00:38:53,040
educational

947
00:38:58,630 --> 00:38:56,160
uh you know professional things to back

948
00:39:00,790 --> 00:38:58,640
me up i'm not that smart but i would

949
00:39:02,710 --> 00:39:00,800
tear that guy apart because i think he

950
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:02,720
is completely wrong

951
00:39:07,589 --> 00:39:05,359
right but there are so many

952
00:39:09,829 --> 00:39:07,599
that actually follow that and i find

953
00:39:11,589 --> 00:39:09,839
that fascinating

954
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,599
it is fascinating but you know it's

955
00:39:15,750 --> 00:39:13,440
falling apart

956
00:39:17,750 --> 00:39:15,760
and i think that the materialist

957
00:39:19,829 --> 00:39:17,760
perspective is falling apart because

958
00:39:21,670 --> 00:39:19,839
it's encountered consciousness and it

959
00:39:23,510 --> 00:39:21,680
can't get around it and it's starting to

960
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:23,520
realize that

961
00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:25,440
i think it's falling apart in three

962
00:39:27,589 --> 00:39:26,400
different

963
00:39:30,630 --> 00:39:27,599
ways

964
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:30,640
and the first way is

965
00:39:35,109 --> 00:39:31,599
in

966
00:39:37,910 --> 00:39:35,119
that's where philosophers have asked

967
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:37,920
this question what is consciousness

968
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:39,920
and they've they've examined the answer

969
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,440
which is that consciousness is an

970
00:39:45,910 --> 00:39:43,280
illusion and they've seen

971
00:39:48,150 --> 00:39:45,920
that that is a logical fallacy

972
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:48,160
right right right

973
00:39:54,390 --> 00:39:50,800
in other words

974
00:39:59,750 --> 00:39:55,430
if

975
00:40:01,270 --> 00:39:59,760
not an illusion so the question becomes

976
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,280
an illusion to whom

977
00:40:05,750 --> 00:40:03,119
right if consciousness is an illusion

978
00:40:07,510 --> 00:40:05,760
who's experiencing the illusion so it

979
00:40:08,790 --> 00:40:07,520
presupposes the existence of

980
00:40:10,310 --> 00:40:08,800
consciousness to explain that

981
00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,320
consciousness doesn't exist which of

982
00:40:15,109 --> 00:40:12,560
course is ridiculous right right right

983
00:40:17,670 --> 00:40:15,119
and and if you look at it that way from

984
00:40:20,310 --> 00:40:17,680
from dawkins point of view

985
00:40:23,270 --> 00:40:20,320
then the his his

986
00:40:24,950 --> 00:40:23,280
his view is taken apart now i like to

987
00:40:26,950 --> 00:40:24,960
listen to everybody and get you know

988
00:40:28,870 --> 00:40:26,960
ideas from them and i certainly get

989
00:40:32,550 --> 00:40:28,880
ideas from dawkins but

990
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,560
the his his whole thing falls apart in

991
00:40:36,950 --> 00:40:34,560
that if if

992
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,960
it was all just electricity and the

993
00:40:40,950 --> 00:40:38,720
neurons are firing off and all those

994
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:40,960
connections in our brains are just doing

995
00:40:44,150 --> 00:40:42,720
the same thing and everybody else is

996
00:40:48,310 --> 00:40:44,160
doing the same thing

997
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:48,320
then we would all be the same

998
00:40:53,270 --> 00:40:49,760
right and that's it there wouldn't be

999
00:40:56,470 --> 00:40:53,280
any differences between us including

1000
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:56,480
him and his opinions that he has that

1001
00:41:01,109 --> 00:40:59,359
make him him well then i would be like

1002
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:01,119
him and there wouldn't be anybody to

1003
00:41:05,750 --> 00:41:03,440
argue against his point

1004
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:05,760
therefore it invalidates everything that

1005
00:41:09,510 --> 00:41:08,160
he stands for but you can't get him to

1006
00:41:11,750 --> 00:41:09,520
listen to that

1007
00:41:13,190 --> 00:41:11,760
right am i making do you understand well

1008
00:41:14,950 --> 00:41:13,200
from his point of view he he isn't

1009
00:41:17,589 --> 00:41:14,960
making a rational argument so much as

1010
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:17,599
he's experiencing the illusion of having

1011
00:41:23,270 --> 00:41:21,599
what he calls a rational argument

1012
00:41:25,190 --> 00:41:23,280
based on deterministic factors that were

1013
00:41:27,349 --> 00:41:25,200
set in motion you know long before he

1014
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:27,359
had a brain um

1015
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:30,079
so yeah i mean it falls apart um and

1016
00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,079
they kind of admit it these days anyway

1017
00:41:35,990 --> 00:41:34,720
it even goes beyond that though um you

1018
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:36,000
know there was a lot of hope that

1019
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,240
neuroscience with its sophisticated

1020
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,640
imaging and fmri techniques and so forth

1021
00:41:44,550 --> 00:41:42,880
would identify

1022
00:41:45,829 --> 00:41:44,560
quote-unquote where consciousness comes

1023
00:41:47,670 --> 00:41:45,839
from in the brain

1024
00:41:49,030 --> 00:41:47,680
but it's really only deep in the mystery

1025
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:49,040
because the more we look at the brain

1026
00:41:53,349 --> 00:41:51,599
and the more closely we look the

1027
00:41:55,829 --> 00:41:53,359
the more we realize that we can't really

1028
00:41:57,190 --> 00:41:55,839
find where consciousness is like those

1029
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:57,200
parts of the brain that are associated

1030
00:41:59,990 --> 00:41:58,640
with different functions and memories of

1031
00:42:01,910 --> 00:42:00,000
course but

1032
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:01,920
the big mystery what's called the hard

1033
00:42:07,589 --> 00:42:05,280
problem of consciousness is this

1034
00:42:10,069 --> 00:42:07,599
why in the first place

1035
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:10,079
is subjectivity attendant to brain

1036
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:11,280
function

1037
00:42:15,829 --> 00:42:13,440
meaning you could just have a brain that

1038
00:42:17,430 --> 00:42:15,839
does its chemical thing back and forth

1039
00:42:19,190 --> 00:42:17,440
but couldn't it just do that without

1040
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,200
having this

1041
00:42:22,950 --> 00:42:20,960
uh complex inner world called

1042
00:42:24,630 --> 00:42:22,960
subjectivity and why are there feelings

1043
00:42:26,790 --> 00:42:24,640
and thoughts and

1044
00:42:30,390 --> 00:42:26,800
and uh values

1045
00:42:33,589 --> 00:42:30,400
sadness happiness exactly associated to

1046
00:42:36,150 --> 00:42:33,599
cells firing um it completely fails to

1047
00:42:39,190 --> 00:42:36,160
explain the existence of an inner world

1048
00:42:41,589 --> 00:42:39,200
to the material side of in this case our

1049
00:42:43,910 --> 00:42:41,599
brains or our bodies well okay so then

1050
00:42:45,030 --> 00:42:43,920
let's let's let's take this one step

1051
00:42:46,950 --> 00:42:45,040
further

1052
00:42:48,150 --> 00:42:46,960
good consciousness and this is one of

1053
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:48,160
their arguments i would like your

1054
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,200
opinion on this could consciousness just

1055
00:42:57,030 --> 00:42:54,160
develop because of the complexity

1056
00:43:00,309 --> 00:42:57,040
of the electricity that is going on that

1057
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,319
it is a side you know project that is

1058
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:03,040
that is uh evolved

1059
00:43:08,950 --> 00:43:05,599
from the complexities of the brain

1060
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:08,960
when but if that's one point and then

1061
00:43:13,829 --> 00:43:10,720
what about plants

1062
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:13,839
right are our plants conscious do they

1063
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:17,440
have a consciousness without a brain

1064
00:43:21,430 --> 00:43:18,640
right

1065
00:43:23,349 --> 00:43:21,440
i'm glad you asked that question

1066
00:43:25,510 --> 00:43:23,359
so uh so there's two parts of that so

1067
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,520
the first part

1068
00:43:30,230 --> 00:43:27,359
could consciousness

1069
00:43:32,790 --> 00:43:30,240
emerge as a result of increasingly

1070
00:43:34,390 --> 00:43:32,800
complex physical structures and the

1071
00:43:37,109 --> 00:43:34,400
answer could be maybe

1072
00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,119
and there's a neuroscientist giulio

1073
00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:39,839
tanoni at university of wisconsin who

1074
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:42,000
believes that very thing in fact

1075
00:43:47,030 --> 00:43:44,720
he has set up experiments that uh

1076
00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:47,040
actually suggest that

1077
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:48,640
meaning that any

1078
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:49,839
his from his point of view and he's

1079
00:43:53,510 --> 00:43:52,000
sufficiently informationally

1080
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:53,520
self-integrated

1081
00:43:57,829 --> 00:43:55,280
and that's a hard one to explain but

1082
00:43:59,510 --> 00:43:57,839
just imagine complexity system in the

1083
00:44:00,950 --> 00:43:59,520
universe would have a degree of

1084
00:44:03,910 --> 00:44:00,960
consciousness which he calls phi

1085
00:44:05,910 --> 00:44:03,920
attendant to it so the more

1086
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:05,920
physically or materially informationally

1087
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:08,319
integrated and complex a thing the more

1088
00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,359
you

1089
00:44:13,349 --> 00:44:11,040
in his theory would have uh

1090
00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:13,359
consciousness as a as emergent but

1091
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:14,960
what's what's valuable about his

1092
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,359
approach is that he sees that all he

1093
00:44:20,829 --> 00:44:19,680
sees all of the physical world as

1094
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,839
something like

1095
00:44:24,230 --> 00:44:22,560
proto-consciousness meaning

1096
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:24,240
consciousness is like a fundamental

1097
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,119
thing

1098
00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:27,359
a fundamental inextricable part of the

1099
00:44:31,030 --> 00:44:29,440
physical world

1100
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:31,040
but it's that

1101
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:34,160
it's that complexity that gives rise

1102
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,760
from that proto-consciousness to

1103
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:37,839
consciousness and that first-person

1104
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,400
perspective

1105
00:44:44,790 --> 00:44:42,720
does that make sense it does it does and

1106
00:44:45,910 --> 00:44:44,800
okay so then

1107
00:44:47,990 --> 00:44:45,920
uh

1108
00:44:49,430 --> 00:44:48,000
if if

1109
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:49,440
if okay

1110
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:51,440
if consciousness

1111
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:55,040
doesn't necessarily reside on something

1112
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:56,400
physical

1113
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:57,920
right

1114
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:01,119
that you don't necessarily need

1115
00:45:07,990 --> 00:45:04,319
a physical body where you know after you

1116
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,000
die your consciousness survives and and

1117
00:45:12,309 --> 00:45:10,319
and it's out there and maybe attaches

1118
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:12,319
itself to uh you know goes and finds

1119
00:45:17,349 --> 00:45:15,680
another host or whatever or reincarnates

1120
00:45:19,589 --> 00:45:17,359
goes to another planet or another

1121
00:45:22,470 --> 00:45:19,599
universe we don't know the answers to

1122
00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:22,480
these questions but if that is the case

1123
00:45:24,630 --> 00:45:23,599
then

1124
00:45:31,270 --> 00:45:24,640
uh

1125
00:45:33,270 --> 00:45:31,280
that consciousness exists to silence

1126
00:45:36,390 --> 00:45:33,280
those out there if it's something that

1127
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:36,400
isn't measured right if it's indeed not

1128
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:37,760
physical

1129
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:40,160
well to prove something exists is one

1130
00:45:43,670 --> 00:45:41,280
thing

1131
00:45:45,990 --> 00:45:43,680
and it's difficult but to silence

1132
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,000
critics is something else and that's

1133
00:45:50,630 --> 00:45:48,880
almost impossible right right um i mean

1134
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,640
what would it take i mean that's that's

1135
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:52,800
it's like my ultimate question you know

1136
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:55,440
what would it take to get everybody to

1137
00:46:03,589 --> 00:46:02,309
yeah um

1138
00:46:05,430 --> 00:46:03,599
well

1139
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:05,440
regarding the the idea that

1140
00:46:11,670 --> 00:46:08,240
consciousness is non-physical there's

1141
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:11,680
about five decades of really robust

1142
00:46:15,750 --> 00:46:12,960
laboratory

1143
00:46:18,470 --> 00:46:15,760
grade parapsychology experiments that

1144
00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:18,480
would suggest that consciousness is

1145
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:20,000
something like a non-physical or

1146
00:46:23,349 --> 00:46:21,839
informational system and it can do

1147
00:46:25,829 --> 00:46:23,359
things that aren't physically explained

1148
00:46:27,510 --> 00:46:25,839
by the standard model of physics right

1149
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:27,520
and

1150
00:46:31,030 --> 00:46:28,800
there's all different ways that you can

1151
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:31,040
slice that research there's multiple

1152
00:46:35,990 --> 00:46:33,119
meta-analysis of this are suggesting

1153
00:46:37,510 --> 00:46:36,000
evidence greater than one in

1154
00:46:38,710 --> 00:46:37,520
several billion to one in several

1155
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,720
trillion

1156
00:46:42,550 --> 00:46:40,800
um so from my point of view and from

1157
00:46:44,390 --> 00:46:42,560
every reasonable sort of point of view

1158
00:46:45,510 --> 00:46:44,400
scientifically the idea of non-physical

1159
00:46:47,270 --> 00:46:45,520
consciousness

1160
00:46:49,349 --> 00:46:47,280
is is quite

1161
00:46:51,270 --> 00:46:49,359
established

1162
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,280
you have in front of you instead

1163
00:46:55,030 --> 00:46:52,720
something like a

1164
00:46:57,349 --> 00:46:55,040
social challenge meaning to get new

1165
00:46:59,109 --> 00:46:57,359
information into consensus reality or to

1166
00:47:01,829 --> 00:46:59,119
adjust the paradigm in some sort of way

1167
00:47:03,750 --> 00:47:01,839
is is a longer process that is not based

1168
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:03,760
in evidence as much as we like to think

1169
00:47:08,470 --> 00:47:06,720
it is but is based on social factors

1170
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,480
and that wouldn't work for dawkins

1171
00:47:13,510 --> 00:47:10,240
though

1172
00:47:16,470 --> 00:47:13,520
well no no no that's the exact opposite

1173
00:47:17,910 --> 00:47:16,480
of what what he bases you know his

1174
00:47:19,349 --> 00:47:17,920
worldview on

1175
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:19,359
and and like

1176
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,240
i i truly believe that half of science

1177
00:47:27,270 --> 00:47:24,720
is is on a dock inside they're on the

1178
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,280
mechanical side and i understand why

1179
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:29,760
um you know it's laboratories and proof

1180
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:31,680
and and black and white i i get all of

1181
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:33,359
that then there's the other side of

1182
00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:36,400
science today that is totally

1183
00:47:43,430 --> 00:47:40,240
uh accepting of you know a miracle-based

1184
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,440
something else is driving all of this

1185
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,359
mindset and where they are trying to

1186
00:47:49,750 --> 00:47:47,760
figure out that side getting them to

1187
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:49,760
meet in the middle i think is uh where

1188
00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:52,000
we are at today i think it's uh pretty

1189
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:53,520
exciting times

1190
00:47:58,470 --> 00:47:54,960
i couldn't think of a better time to be

1191
00:47:59,349 --> 00:47:58,480
here but in my opening statement tonight

1192
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,359
my

1193
00:48:03,270 --> 00:48:01,520
comment was this in order to get

1194
00:48:05,910 --> 00:48:03,280
everybody to

1195
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:05,920
agree on both sides it would take

1196
00:48:11,470 --> 00:48:07,520
something like

1197
00:48:13,750 --> 00:48:11,480
a crazy light being you know e.t

1198
00:48:16,390 --> 00:48:13,760
extraterrestrial showing up in a

1199
00:48:17,750 --> 00:48:16,400
physical light body without

1200
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,760
you know what i mean without the

1201
00:48:22,390 --> 00:48:19,440
physical there

1202
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:22,400
that can talk think laugh and love

1203
00:48:26,150 --> 00:48:23,760
right and the

1204
00:48:29,670 --> 00:48:26,160
the the example of consciousness not

1205
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:31,349
yeah it could be it could take something

1206
00:48:37,430 --> 00:48:35,280
like that to uh sort of jolt us now the

1207
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:37,440
the couple of examples i gave earlier

1208
00:48:40,549 --> 00:48:38,480
where

1209
00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:40,559
uh our perspective on consciousness

1210
00:48:45,190 --> 00:48:43,359
shifted uh based on when you're talking

1211
00:48:47,190 --> 00:48:45,200
right so from the animus monday or the

1212
00:48:49,670 --> 00:48:47,200
magical world into the classical world

1213
00:48:53,990 --> 00:48:49,680
of newtonian mechanics and into the

1214
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:54,000
materialism of the current uh period and

1215
00:48:58,150 --> 00:48:56,079
looking forward into some sort of future

1216
00:48:59,670 --> 00:48:58,160
that is a consciousness first

1217
00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:59,680
perspective whatever that is i think

1218
00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:01,359
that is the definition of paradigm

1219
00:49:05,190 --> 00:49:03,200
change and it

1220
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:05,200
that is evidence that it does happen but

1221
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:07,760
it's a long-term process right and i

1222
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:09,040
think that

1223
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:10,880
you can look at the inflection points of

1224
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,760
each of those paradigm shifts

1225
00:49:18,150 --> 00:49:15,520
and you can see what happens is that

1226
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:18,160
there are anomalies that start to creep

1227
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:19,200
into

1228
00:49:22,230 --> 00:49:20,480
awareness

1229
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:22,240
among the people that establish the

1230
00:49:26,710 --> 00:49:23,760
paradigm if you will

1231
00:49:29,750 --> 00:49:26,720
and at first those anomalies are ignored

1232
00:49:30,950 --> 00:49:29,760
and then those anomalies are attacked

1233
00:49:32,470 --> 00:49:30,960
and then what happens is very

1234
00:49:33,990 --> 00:49:32,480
interesting is

1235
00:49:37,109 --> 00:49:34,000
the

1236
00:49:38,630 --> 00:49:37,119
people that can benefit from

1237
00:49:40,710 --> 00:49:38,640
usually the people that attack those

1238
00:49:42,309 --> 00:49:40,720
anomalies will then say ah these

1239
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:42,319
anomalies are real and i thought of it

1240
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:43,440
first

1241
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:45,520
so you kind of have to get a lot of the

1242
00:49:50,710 --> 00:49:46,880
mainstream scientists or the

1243
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:52,710
basically align the incentives and i

1244
00:49:56,069 --> 00:49:54,000
think that we haven't quite figured out

1245
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:56,079
how to do that yet

1246
00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,079
and we're we're gonna we're gonna take a

1247
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,319
break here in in two minutes and i want

1248
00:50:05,109 --> 00:50:02,720
to set this up for when we come back

1249
00:50:08,069 --> 00:50:05,119
for you as you're going through your

1250
00:50:10,390 --> 00:50:08,079
life and and education and and you

1251
00:50:13,750 --> 00:50:10,400
started to begin this hero's journey

1252
00:50:15,670 --> 00:50:13,760
that you're on what what happened

1253
00:50:18,470 --> 00:50:15,680
something made you take

1254
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:18,480
a left-hand turn somewhere to go down

1255
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:21,119
the consciousness road what was that

1256
00:50:24,870 --> 00:50:23,040
event

1257
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:24,880
i think that it's because i have crazy

1258
00:50:29,190 --> 00:50:27,440
hair yeah you do have crazy hair yeah

1259
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,200
and you know you can't really be an

1260
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,760
inventor or have mad sciences tendencies

1261
00:50:35,670 --> 00:50:33,599
uh without having crazy hair okay so

1262
00:50:35,970 --> 00:50:35,680
what what what what caused the crazy

1263
00:50:37,510 --> 00:50:35,980
hair

1264
00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:37,520
[Laughter]

1265
00:50:40,950 --> 00:50:39,359
i'll get the answer out of you did i

1266
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,960
have crazy hair first or did this stuff

1267
00:50:45,349 --> 00:50:43,200
cause the crazy right right exactly uh

1268
00:50:47,270 --> 00:50:45,359
you know i'm not really any any longer

1269
00:50:49,109 --> 00:50:47,280
interested in trying to prove this stuff

1270
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:49,119
to anyone i'm certainly not going to

1271
00:50:53,750 --> 00:50:51,040
impact mainstream science in any

1272
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,760
traditional way i'm more interested in

1273
00:50:57,750 --> 00:50:55,599
figuring out how things work building

1274
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:57,760
cool stuff and being playful

1275
00:51:01,430 --> 00:50:59,119
and that's more of a reflection of my

1276
00:51:04,309 --> 00:51:01,440
personality and how i've come to kind of

1277
00:51:07,670 --> 00:51:04,319
approach these anomalous subject matters

1278
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:09,589
but yeah i mean the the origin of my

1279
00:51:12,549 --> 00:51:11,040
interest in these things are kind of

1280
00:51:14,150 --> 00:51:12,559
interesting maybe we can get into that a

1281
00:51:16,710 --> 00:51:14,160
little bit in the next segment well i

1282
00:51:19,990 --> 00:51:16,720
mean was it uh did you have some kind of

1283
00:51:22,790 --> 00:51:20,000
crazy mind experiment uh did you have a

1284
00:51:25,510 --> 00:51:22,800
talent could you read you know could you

1285
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:25,520
predict the future was it dreams did you

1286
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:27,839
have a ghost did your grandmother come

1287
00:51:33,510 --> 00:51:29,920
to you in your bedroom i mean you know

1288
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:33,520
there's always some kind of epiphany

1289
00:51:38,630 --> 00:51:36,960
well i grew up in colorado springs for

1290
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:38,640
about 10 years and that's where tesla

1291
00:51:43,270 --> 00:51:40,400
had his lab

1292
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:43,280
and the remnants of his laboratory the

1293
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:45,040
stuff that remained of it was put into a

1294
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:47,760
small museum and when i was a kid i was

1295
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:49,119
always asking my mom to bring home

1296
00:51:52,549 --> 00:51:50,640
electronics so i would take him apart

1297
00:51:54,470 --> 00:51:52,559
and build things and one day she took me

1298
00:51:55,349 --> 00:51:54,480
to the tesla museum

1299
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:55,359
and

1300
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:56,880
there was there's no one there because

1301
00:52:00,950 --> 00:51:58,800
no one knew who he was back then

1302
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:00,960
and there was a gentleman who let me

1303
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:03,440
play with some of the the old tesla

1304
00:52:07,270 --> 00:52:04,960
coils and these types of things and i

1305
00:52:09,670 --> 00:52:07,280
was captivated and so i started reading

1306
00:52:11,270 --> 00:52:09,680
about tesla and his inventions and the

1307
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:11,280
same people that write those books about

1308
00:52:16,230 --> 00:52:14,160
tesla basically also included in it this

1309
00:52:17,270 --> 00:52:16,240
idea that there was he was on to a new

1310
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:17,280
physics

1311
00:52:21,910 --> 00:52:19,760
that there's textbook science which is

1312
00:52:22,950 --> 00:52:21,920
one thing and it's it's fine and there

1313
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:22,960
then there's

1314
00:52:27,270 --> 00:52:25,839
a parallel track of thinking

1315
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:27,280
and it was that parallel track of

1316
00:52:32,549 --> 00:52:30,800
thinking that really inspired me and

1317
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,559
i really grew up with the idea that

1318
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:34,400
there are like kind of two explanations

1319
00:52:39,109 --> 00:52:36,160
for things or the mainstream is is

1320
00:52:40,710 --> 00:52:39,119
really like an incomplete picture of how

1321
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:40,720
reality works

1322
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:43,119
and that you almost have to have that

1323
00:52:46,710 --> 00:52:44,720
point of view to

1324
00:52:48,309 --> 00:52:46,720
uh to understand and appreciate

1325
00:52:49,589 --> 00:52:48,319
consciousness research

1326
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,599
very important because it doesn't fit in

1327
00:52:53,990 --> 00:52:51,200
the box yeah there you go so it was

1328
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:54,000
tesla see there's always something

1329
00:52:57,349 --> 00:52:54,800
you know

1330
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:57,359
for me uh it's a very simple thing my

1331
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,119
mom was nuts

1332
00:53:04,230 --> 00:53:01,280
and she had a collection of edgar casey

1333
00:53:06,870 --> 00:53:04,240
books uh that uh when i was five six

1334
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:06,880
seven years old i could barely read

1335
00:53:11,430 --> 00:53:09,040
and i thought to myself who's this edgar

1336
00:53:12,390 --> 00:53:11,440
cayce guy my mom's got a hundred books

1337
00:53:14,630 --> 00:53:12,400
here

1338
00:53:18,470 --> 00:53:14,640
well you know what that's that's that's

1339
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:18,480
what uh what got me on the air tonight

1340
00:53:22,790 --> 00:53:20,400
with you but you know there's always

1341
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:22,800
something like that in all of our lives

1342
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:25,599
our guest tonight is adam curry i am

1343
00:53:29,109 --> 00:53:27,760
your host jimmy church tonight we are

1344
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:29,119
discussing

1345
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:31,119
consciousness collective consciousness

1346
00:53:35,670 --> 00:53:33,920
collective mind the mandela effect his

1347
00:53:38,309 --> 00:53:35,680
research and we're going to do an

1348
00:53:39,990 --> 00:53:38,319
experiment with all of you in just a bit

1349
00:53:42,069 --> 00:53:40,000
so get ready for that this is fade to

1350
00:53:43,510 --> 00:53:42,079
black i'm yours jimmy church we'll be

1351
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:43,520
right back more with adam after this

1352
00:53:54,930 --> 00:53:51,850
[Music]

1353
00:53:59,670 --> 00:53:54,940
[Applause]

1354
00:54:01,190 --> 00:53:59,680
[Music]

1355
00:54:02,630 --> 00:54:01,200
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

1356
00:54:05,670 --> 00:54:02,640
your host jimmy church follow me on

1357
00:54:08,790 --> 00:54:05,680
twitter at j church radio

1358
00:54:11,510 --> 00:54:08,800
at j church radio you can follow adam

1359
00:54:12,670 --> 00:54:11,520
at adam m curry i believe that's what it

1360
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:12,680
is uh

1361
00:54:17,430 --> 00:54:13,920
[Music]

1362
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:17,440
adam am i right adam m curry on twitter

1363
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:20,480
on twitter it's adam's lab adam's lab i

1364
00:54:25,349 --> 00:54:22,640
just blew it it's right in front of me

1365
00:54:28,790 --> 00:54:25,359
too adam slab

1366
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,800
okay uh one quick question before uh we

1367
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:30,960
really start to move forward here

1368
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:32,160
um

1369
00:54:38,870 --> 00:54:34,720
if you could

1370
00:54:39,910 --> 00:54:38,880
download or upload your brain onto a

1371
00:54:43,430 --> 00:54:39,920
chip

1372
00:54:48,069 --> 00:54:43,440
and and then kill yourself

1373
00:54:50,950 --> 00:54:49,380
the answer is no

1374
00:54:52,549 --> 00:54:50,960
[Laughter]

1375
00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:52,559
would you

1376
00:54:59,829 --> 00:54:55,760
if if if i could go with it

1377
00:55:01,349 --> 00:54:59,839
right me my id my consciousness if that

1378
00:55:03,430 --> 00:55:01,359
that's the question

1379
00:55:05,030 --> 00:55:03,440
right i understand downloading or

1380
00:55:06,069 --> 00:55:05,040
uploading memories

1381
00:55:10,230 --> 00:55:06,079
right

1382
00:55:12,549 --> 00:55:10,240
neural interface everybody's working on

1383
00:55:14,950 --> 00:55:12,559
it okay i get that part but what about

1384
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:14,960
what makes you you

1385
00:55:18,549 --> 00:55:17,040
that it you know that's the thing i

1386
00:55:20,790 --> 00:55:18,559
don't know you know

1387
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:20,800
they'd have to convince me and that is a

1388
00:55:26,950 --> 00:55:24,559
central mystery of consciousness is that

1389
00:55:30,390 --> 00:55:26,960
there is something like

1390
00:55:31,190 --> 00:55:30,400
what it feels like to be jimmy

1391
00:55:33,109 --> 00:55:31,200
and

1392
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:33,119
you have to be prepared to give that up

1393
00:55:38,309 --> 00:55:35,359
that's right you're going to

1394
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:38,319
upload your your brain somehow into into

1395
00:55:45,030 --> 00:55:41,440
a computer chip yeah and you you go back

1396
00:55:47,670 --> 00:55:45,040
i love the uh original movie tron

1397
00:55:50,549 --> 00:55:47,680
the concept of that and and living on a

1398
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:50,559
chip and just hanging out like that and

1399
00:55:56,150 --> 00:55:53,839
and and you know no no disease or colds

1400
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:56,160
or you know any of that stuff right you

1401
00:56:00,150 --> 00:55:58,079
just you just exist

1402
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:00,160
but but there's a fundamental thing

1403
00:56:04,950 --> 00:56:03,520
that's missing in that is how did how

1404
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:04,960
did the

1405
00:56:11,190 --> 00:56:08,880
right that's the thing that's that's

1406
00:56:13,910 --> 00:56:11,200
it's never really addressed how how do

1407
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:13,920
you transfer that and if they convince

1408
00:56:19,270 --> 00:56:16,400
me of that i i think it's go time

1409
00:56:21,030 --> 00:56:19,280
i think i would do it

1410
00:56:23,990 --> 00:56:21,040
yeah you could just jack directly into

1411
00:56:26,150 --> 00:56:24,000
your mic setup there yeah yeah seriously

1412
00:56:28,950 --> 00:56:26,160
you know and and just think about that

1413
00:56:31,190 --> 00:56:28,960
now what you know the the

1414
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:31,200
the the fundamental philosophical

1415
00:56:36,230 --> 00:56:34,319
questions enter in like immortality

1416
00:56:38,789 --> 00:56:36,240
but just imagine

1417
00:56:40,789 --> 00:56:38,799
being able to learn

1418
00:56:41,589 --> 00:56:40,799
forever

1419
00:56:45,829 --> 00:56:41,599
right

1420
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:45,839
to learn forever my my biggest dream

1421
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:48,160
if i won the lottery tomorrow you know

1422
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:49,599
everybody talks about doing this you

1423
00:56:54,309 --> 00:56:51,440
know what i would do if i won the

1424
00:56:57,030 --> 00:56:54,319
lottery tomorrow i would go to school

1425
00:56:58,950 --> 00:56:57,040
i would go to school till i died

1426
00:57:01,510 --> 00:56:58,960
that's what i would do

1427
00:57:03,109 --> 00:57:01,520
i would go to school i would just sit

1428
00:57:05,190 --> 00:57:03,119
and learn

1429
00:57:07,589 --> 00:57:05,200
every single day that's what i would do

1430
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:07,599
i build my own university

1431
00:57:11,190 --> 00:57:09,200
that's what i would do

1432
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:11,200
you know i i wouldn't do what everybody

1433
00:57:15,109 --> 00:57:13,359
else thinks that they would do with that

1434
00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:15,119
money i would go and learn

1435
00:57:21,270 --> 00:57:18,640
and that that's uh that's the part of uh

1436
00:57:24,870 --> 00:57:21,280
being immortal right just acquiring

1437
00:57:27,589 --> 00:57:24,880
knowledge forever oh man holy mackerel

1438
00:57:29,430 --> 00:57:27,599
yeah okay so now let's get to the uh

1439
00:57:33,430 --> 00:57:29,440
mandela effect

1440
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:33,440
and uh and and what it is

1441
00:57:39,190 --> 00:57:36,640
um there is the pop culture version of

1442
00:57:41,510 --> 00:57:39,200
it and then there's the

1443
00:57:42,309 --> 00:57:41,520
the other things that could be causing

1444
00:57:46,470 --> 00:57:42,319
it

1445
00:57:49,109 --> 00:57:46,480
interference from a parallel world and

1446
00:57:50,789 --> 00:57:49,119
or whatever or you know time travelers

1447
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:50,799
coming back and altering things i don't

1448
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:53,440
know but uh for you what is the mandela

1449
00:57:57,030 --> 00:57:55,359
effect

1450
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:57,040
uh do you know that there's a technical

1451
00:58:01,990 --> 00:57:59,599
term for the mandela effect now

1452
00:58:03,829 --> 00:58:02,000
there probably is what is it

1453
00:58:05,109 --> 00:58:03,839
it's alter

1454
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:05,119
alter

1455
00:58:07,670 --> 00:58:06,720
really

1456
00:58:08,789 --> 00:58:07,680
okay

1457
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:08,799
the

1458
00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:14,240
deja vu

1459
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:16,160
that's right do you do you know do you

1460
00:58:19,670 --> 00:58:17,520
know about the four voos

1461
00:58:22,549 --> 00:58:19,680
uh no lay it on okay okay this this will

1462
00:58:24,069 --> 00:58:22,559
be a freebie it's pretty cool so deja vu

1463
00:58:26,710 --> 00:58:24,079
we're all familiar with right that's

1464
00:58:29,589 --> 00:58:26,720
where the the unfamiliar is strangely

1465
00:58:31,589 --> 00:58:29,599
familiar so you walk into a strange

1466
00:58:33,589 --> 00:58:31,599
house and you feel like you recognize

1467
00:58:36,230 --> 00:58:33,599
the rooms that's deja vu

1468
00:58:37,670 --> 00:58:36,240
jean-aivo is the opposite of deja vu and

1469
00:58:39,829 --> 00:58:37,680
that's where the familiar seems

1470
00:58:41,829 --> 00:58:39,839
unfamiliar so that would be for example

1471
00:58:42,789 --> 00:58:41,839
where you go into your own house and the

1472
00:58:46,470 --> 00:58:42,799
rooms

1473
00:58:49,910 --> 00:58:48,230
is that feeling when you're trying to

1474
00:58:51,829 --> 00:58:49,920
remember something and it's on the tip

1475
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:51,839
of your tongue but it's not coming to

1476
00:58:54,230 --> 00:58:53,040
you but you feel like you know what it

1477
00:58:55,750 --> 00:58:54,240
is

1478
00:58:57,430 --> 00:58:55,760
that's

1479
00:59:00,789 --> 00:58:57,440
and then alter

1480
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,799
is when you remember reality differently

1481
00:59:04,470 --> 00:59:02,400
than it appears to be

1482
00:59:07,430 --> 00:59:04,480
so you have a memory of something that

1483
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:07,440
in fact is not true and that is a

1484
00:59:11,910 --> 00:59:10,640
technical term for the mandela effect

1485
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:11,920
now

1486
00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:14,720
okay so that's uh do you agree with

1487
00:59:18,390 --> 00:59:16,640
alterview

1488
00:59:19,990 --> 00:59:18,400
well there's no question that the

1489
00:59:21,910 --> 00:59:20,000
phenomena of people

1490
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:21,920
remembering something that is

1491
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:23,760
not true

1492
00:59:27,349 --> 00:59:26,079
is real right i mean i'm guilty of that

1493
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:27,359
all the time

1494
00:59:32,950 --> 00:59:30,319
uh the mandela effect itself

1495
00:59:36,630 --> 00:59:32,960
has been around at least it was codified

1496
00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:36,640
in about 2009 by a woman named fiona

1497
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:37,920
broome

1498
00:59:41,750 --> 00:59:40,319
and it pertained to the fact that a

1499
00:59:44,710 --> 00:59:41,760
number of people

1500
00:59:48,549 --> 00:59:44,720
remember nelson mandela as having died

1501
00:59:52,150 --> 00:59:48,559
in prison in south africa

1502
00:59:54,230 --> 00:59:52,160
not from illness in 2013

1503
00:59:55,750 --> 00:59:54,240
and so she i think she put up a website

1504
00:59:57,910 --> 00:59:55,760
and

1505
01:00:00,789 --> 00:59:57,920
just made it known that she has distinct

1506
01:00:02,710 --> 01:00:00,799
memories that um that nelson mandela

1507
01:00:05,030 --> 01:00:02,720
died in prison and it turns out that a

1508
01:00:08,150 --> 01:00:05,040
whole bunch of people also have that

1509
01:00:09,829 --> 01:00:08,160
memory and remembered a funeral exactly

1510
01:00:11,430 --> 01:00:09,839
yeah yeah yeah

1511
01:00:13,030 --> 01:00:11,440
even remember seeing a funeral

1512
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:13,040
procession on television which is hard

1513
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:15,760
to explain right very hard to explain

1514
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:16,640
well

1515
01:00:23,430 --> 01:00:18,960
in the definition of alter view that

1516
01:00:24,309 --> 01:00:23,440
seems pretty hard and fast in that uh

1517
01:00:26,789 --> 01:00:24,319
uh

1518
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:26,799
state the state the definition again

1519
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:30,240
okay alter is when you remember reality

1520
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:32,799
differently than it appears to be

1521
01:00:36,309 --> 01:00:34,400
okay so

1522
01:00:37,510 --> 01:00:36,319
no okay i think you said it before

1523
01:00:40,069 --> 01:00:37,520
earlier a little bit different you

1524
01:00:40,870 --> 01:00:40,079
didn't say appears you said that things

1525
01:00:45,990 --> 01:00:40,880
that

1526
01:00:47,589 --> 01:00:46,000
a very hard and fast remember reality

1527
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:47,599
differently than it is

1528
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:50,480
right right right okay so then

1529
01:00:56,069 --> 01:00:53,040
suggesting that the

1530
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:56,079
the real versions of this are in fact

1531
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:57,599
the truth

1532
01:01:02,390 --> 01:00:59,200
right and that's that's kind of hard to

1533
01:01:06,630 --> 01:01:05,750
to accept for many yeah except for me

1534
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:06,640
i mean

1535
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:09,359
only because only because i've got my

1536
01:01:13,750 --> 01:01:10,559
own

1537
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:13,760
memories of certain things now i'm not

1538
01:01:17,910 --> 01:01:15,760
going to go down the list of thousands

1539
01:01:20,789 --> 01:01:17,920
of mandela effects out there and we've

1540
01:01:22,870 --> 01:01:20,799
all seen those lists and i don't agree

1541
01:01:24,950 --> 01:01:22,880
with the majority of those but there are

1542
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:24,960
a couple of things that i know for a

1543
01:01:29,829 --> 01:01:27,920
fact with my memory that i know and

1544
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:29,839
nobody's going to change that and tell

1545
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:31,520
me well here's the evidence of it well

1546
01:01:35,910 --> 01:01:33,440
it doesn't change my memory

1547
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:35,920
and i know where i was and and and so

1548
01:01:41,750 --> 01:01:39,119
forth and when we look at the world

1549
01:01:43,349 --> 01:01:41,760
where millions of people have these same

1550
01:01:46,309 --> 01:01:43,359
issues

1551
01:01:50,829 --> 01:01:46,319
are millions of people crazy

1552
01:01:55,589 --> 01:01:53,510
well you know one characteristic of all

1553
01:01:58,630 --> 01:01:55,599
of the mandela effects to me is that

1554
01:02:00,789 --> 01:01:58,640
they're very easy to explain

1555
01:02:02,150 --> 01:02:00,799
for example uh

1556
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:02,160
that doesn't mean that they're not true

1557
01:02:05,109 --> 01:02:03,280
or that people don't you know

1558
01:02:07,670 --> 01:02:05,119
misremember them or even perhaps that

1559
01:02:09,109 --> 01:02:07,680
reality could be shifting uh but the

1560
01:02:10,870 --> 01:02:09,119
in in general the most plausible

1561
01:02:13,589 --> 01:02:10,880
explanation is that it's just collective

1562
01:02:15,190 --> 01:02:13,599
misremembrance right so one example is

1563
01:02:17,670 --> 01:02:15,200
the bridge to ellis island so a lot of

1564
01:02:20,470 --> 01:02:17,680
people remember their uh

1565
01:02:22,309 --> 01:02:20,480
never being a bridge to ellis island you

1566
01:02:23,670 --> 01:02:22,319
always had to take a ferry but it turns

1567
01:02:25,750 --> 01:02:23,680
out that there actually is a bridge to

1568
01:02:27,030 --> 01:02:25,760
ellis island and even people that live

1569
01:02:28,309 --> 01:02:27,040
in the area

1570
01:02:29,829 --> 01:02:28,319
say you know there's no way there's a

1571
01:02:33,510 --> 01:02:29,839
bridge to ellis island

1572
01:02:35,030 --> 01:02:33,520
well it could be that you have a reality

1573
01:02:36,549 --> 01:02:35,040
shifting sort of behind the scenes it

1574
01:02:38,630 --> 01:02:36,559
could also be that when you think of

1575
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:38,640
ellis island you think of either fairies

1576
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:40,799
or boats in general and you would just

1577
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:42,400
never really think of taking a bridge

1578
01:02:45,990 --> 01:02:44,400
there

1579
01:02:47,349 --> 01:02:46,000
well okay

1580
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:47,359
so

1581
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:50,400
another example and i got an email about

1582
01:02:55,030 --> 01:02:51,920
this today

1583
01:02:58,150 --> 01:02:55,040
uh you know the famous movies

1584
01:03:00,630 --> 01:02:58,160
shazam with with sinbad right so i got

1585
01:03:02,230 --> 01:03:00,640
an email today from someone i don't want

1586
01:03:03,430 --> 01:03:02,240
to read it but i can certainly

1587
01:03:07,430 --> 01:03:03,440
paraphrase

1588
01:03:09,990 --> 01:03:07,440
that uh she remembers watching shazam

1589
01:03:13,430 --> 01:03:10,000
with her kids with sinbad and the movie

1590
01:03:14,549 --> 01:03:13,440
was great and they really loved it

1591
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:14,559
right now

1592
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:15,680
now

1593
01:03:20,230 --> 01:03:17,920
that's not a memory of i think i

1594
01:03:22,390 --> 01:03:20,240
remember seeing it in a video store

1595
01:03:24,549 --> 01:03:22,400
right i remember seeing i remember

1596
01:03:26,870 --> 01:03:24,559
hearing about it but saying that you

1597
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:26,880
watched it many times with your children

1598
01:03:30,150 --> 01:03:28,400
and it was great

1599
01:03:32,870 --> 01:03:30,160
now that's a whole nother that's a whole

1600
01:03:34,630 --> 01:03:32,880
nother type of mandela effect then

1601
01:03:36,630 --> 01:03:34,640
that one got me because i remember that

1602
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:36,640
movie as well

1603
01:03:41,829 --> 01:03:39,599
somebody sent me an email of

1604
01:03:43,829 --> 01:03:41,839
the movie in their video collection with

1605
01:03:45,990 --> 01:03:43,839
that with a list of their recorded they

1606
01:03:48,470 --> 01:03:46,000
had all of their movies catalog that

1607
01:03:50,309 --> 01:03:48,480
they copied on videotape

1608
01:03:52,470 --> 01:03:50,319
and there it was right shazam with

1609
01:03:54,630 --> 01:03:52,480
sinbad and it's numbered and cataloged

1610
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:54,640
in a photograph of the uh of the

1611
01:03:59,190 --> 01:03:56,400
videotape from a trunk

1612
01:04:00,549 --> 01:03:59,200
of videotapes so you know i haven't seen

1613
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:00,559
the movie but

1614
01:04:04,710 --> 01:04:02,880
uh there you go i that's that's a whole

1615
01:04:06,870 --> 01:04:04,720
nother type of mandela effect how do you

1616
01:04:07,910 --> 01:04:06,880
explain that kind of stuff away

1617
01:04:09,990 --> 01:04:07,920
are you saying

1618
01:04:11,750 --> 01:04:10,000
yeah and you remember the movie yourself

1619
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:11,760
so for you

1620
01:04:18,390 --> 01:04:15,359
how do you start to justify your false

1621
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:20,549
um i would i would basically just call

1622
01:04:24,470 --> 01:04:22,079
it my false memory i'm kind of more

1623
01:04:26,630 --> 01:04:24,480
interested in

1624
01:04:29,349 --> 01:04:26,640
like hypothetical explanations for how

1625
01:04:32,789 --> 01:04:29,359
something like this could be possible

1626
01:04:36,710 --> 01:04:34,870
well um

1627
01:04:38,069 --> 01:04:36,720
when it comes to possible explanations

1628
01:04:39,589 --> 01:04:38,079
you know there's

1629
01:04:42,710 --> 01:04:39,599
one of the things that's fun about the

1630
01:04:45,829 --> 01:04:42,720
mandela effect is that there's so many

1631
01:04:48,230 --> 01:04:45,839
theories behind it floated

1632
01:04:49,990 --> 01:04:48,240
so the first one of course is the

1633
01:04:51,990 --> 01:04:50,000
collective misremembering theory and

1634
01:04:53,670 --> 01:04:52,000
that's basically that

1635
01:04:55,990 --> 01:04:53,680
you have to acknowledge that there are

1636
01:04:57,510 --> 01:04:56,000
false memories or cognitive biases or

1637
01:04:58,950 --> 01:04:57,520
incorrect memories

1638
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:58,960
and

1639
01:05:02,390 --> 01:05:00,480
there are things about certain of these

1640
01:05:04,309 --> 01:05:02,400
mandela effects that might give large

1641
01:05:06,710 --> 01:05:04,319
swaths of the population reason to

1642
01:05:08,309 --> 01:05:06,720
misremember it for example one of them

1643
01:05:11,190 --> 01:05:08,319
is that a lot of people remember there

1644
01:05:12,950 --> 01:05:11,200
being 52 states not 50 states

1645
01:05:13,750 --> 01:05:12,960
interesting but it kind of makes sense

1646
01:05:14,710 --> 01:05:13,760
that

1647
01:05:16,549 --> 01:05:14,720
uh

1648
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:16,559
the alaska and hawaii the

1649
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:18,720
non-continental united states might be

1650
01:05:27,190 --> 01:05:20,480
in their minds they ought to be adding

1651
01:05:32,549 --> 01:05:29,910
another one and probably the most common

1652
01:05:35,270 --> 01:05:32,559
theory that's floated is

1653
01:05:36,549 --> 01:05:35,280
the the theory of parallel realities in

1654
01:05:37,750 --> 01:05:36,559
different forms

1655
01:05:39,430 --> 01:05:37,760
probably the one you've heard the most

1656
01:05:40,390 --> 01:05:39,440
about right

1657
01:05:43,109 --> 01:05:40,400
okay

1658
01:05:45,430 --> 01:05:43,119
so parallel realities also called the

1659
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:45,440
many worlds theory or the multiverse

1660
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,799
theory

1661
01:05:52,069 --> 01:05:48,720
is basically the idea that

1662
01:05:54,069 --> 01:05:52,079
alternate histories and futures are real

1663
01:05:56,630 --> 01:05:54,079
so there's something about the nature of

1664
01:05:59,910 --> 01:05:56,640
reality that has created

1665
01:06:02,549 --> 01:05:59,920
a breakaway or parallel reality or

1666
01:06:03,670 --> 01:06:02,559
myriad parallel realities all the time

1667
01:06:05,510 --> 01:06:03,680
and that

1668
01:06:07,029 --> 01:06:05,520
we were

1669
01:06:09,670 --> 01:06:07,039
when it comes to mandela effects

1670
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:09,680
previously in a reality for example

1671
01:06:13,670 --> 01:06:11,599
where there was a movie called shazam

1672
01:06:15,270 --> 01:06:13,680
and now we're not in a reality or in

1673
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:15,280
reality where there's not a movie called

1674
01:06:18,789 --> 01:06:16,720
shazam but

1675
01:06:21,750 --> 01:06:18,799
there's a persistence of memory for some

1676
01:06:23,430 --> 01:06:21,760
of us about that parallel reality for

1677
01:06:26,309 --> 01:06:23,440
some reason

1678
01:06:28,150 --> 01:06:26,319
now what okay so the parallel reality

1679
01:06:29,750 --> 01:06:28,160
and especially when we're discussing the

1680
01:06:31,829 --> 01:06:29,760
science of things

1681
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:31,839
uh when it gets into quantum mechanics

1682
01:06:35,750 --> 01:06:33,280
and quantum theory in the multi-world

1683
01:06:38,710 --> 01:06:35,760
theory in parallel worlds and

1684
01:06:41,029 --> 01:06:38,720
and uh and all of the

1685
01:06:43,589 --> 01:06:41,039
the effects of of of things and

1686
01:06:47,109 --> 01:06:43,599
entanglement if if that is indeed the

1687
01:06:49,589 --> 01:06:47,119
case and science is now strongly on that

1688
01:06:51,510 --> 01:06:49,599
side of things still debated but still

1689
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:51,520
you know we're getting really close to

1690
01:06:54,950 --> 01:06:53,680
proving the existence of this

1691
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:54,960
well then

1692
01:07:00,470 --> 01:06:57,599
in a parallel world right next to us

1693
01:07:03,510 --> 01:07:00,480
where the movie shazam was made with

1694
01:07:06,630 --> 01:07:03,520
sinbad maybe not in our timeline but

1695
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:06,640
something causes an interference where

1696
01:07:11,029 --> 01:07:08,960
it blips across and effects and some

1697
01:07:13,190 --> 01:07:11,039
people of are then

1698
01:07:15,270 --> 01:07:13,200
seeing this version of that parallel

1699
01:07:17,349 --> 01:07:15,280
world and it becomes part of the memory

1700
01:07:20,230 --> 01:07:17,359
that parallel world returns to where it

1701
01:07:22,150 --> 01:07:20,240
came from so now there's no evidence of

1702
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:22,160
what everybody saw but they still have

1703
01:07:26,230 --> 01:07:23,359
the memory

1704
01:07:27,910 --> 01:07:26,240
that is about as as possible as anything

1705
01:07:30,630 --> 01:07:27,920
i could lay out there for the mandela

1706
01:07:34,069 --> 01:07:30,640
effect and i'm comfortable with it

1707
01:07:36,549 --> 01:07:34,079
i i seriously am man i seriously am

1708
01:07:38,309 --> 01:07:36,559
well it could be i mean the reason why

1709
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:38,319
we got parallel

1710
01:07:42,710 --> 01:07:40,559
realities or the multiverse theory in

1711
01:07:45,670 --> 01:07:42,720
the first place is because

1712
01:07:47,670 --> 01:07:45,680
it was a way for experimental

1713
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:47,680
physicists to reconcile a lot of

1714
01:07:51,430 --> 01:07:49,760
difficult to explain things like

1715
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:51,440
randomness and action at a distance

1716
01:07:55,750 --> 01:07:53,520
that's right at a cosmological scale

1717
01:07:57,589 --> 01:07:55,760
sure and uh so i mean there's reasons

1718
01:07:59,750 --> 01:07:57,599
why these like for the good scientific

1719
01:08:02,470 --> 01:07:59,760
reasons why these are floated there are

1720
01:08:04,150 --> 01:08:02,480
criticisms um

1721
01:08:05,910 --> 01:08:04,160
one is that

1722
01:08:07,510 --> 01:08:05,920
where does it end right so it kind of

1723
01:08:10,470 --> 01:08:07,520
violates outcomes razor in the sense

1724
01:08:13,589 --> 01:08:10,480
that you could have gazillions of

1725
01:08:15,990 --> 01:08:13,599
parallel realities splitting off

1726
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:16,000
and maybe or maybe not to decohere to

1727
01:08:19,030 --> 01:08:17,520
rejoin

1728
01:08:20,870 --> 01:08:19,040
and then it's also very

1729
01:08:22,630 --> 01:08:20,880
unclear as to

1730
01:08:26,229 --> 01:08:22,640
when and where and how these things

1731
01:08:28,070 --> 01:08:26,239
split off so that's a criticism

1732
01:08:29,829 --> 01:08:28,080
you also might violate

1733
01:08:33,110 --> 01:08:29,839
notions which might be antiquated anyway

1734
01:08:34,550 --> 01:08:33,120
of of conservation of energy

1735
01:08:36,630 --> 01:08:34,560
if you're splitting off all of these

1736
01:08:39,349 --> 01:08:36,640
different universes and there's there's

1737
01:08:41,030 --> 01:08:39,359
rebuttals to that too um

1738
01:08:42,789 --> 01:08:41,040
but yeah i mean there's

1739
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:42,799
the parallel realities is a very

1740
01:08:46,789 --> 01:08:45,600
interesting and compelling argument um

1741
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:46,799
there's

1742
01:08:51,910 --> 01:08:50,319
some who believe that cern

1743
01:08:52,789 --> 01:08:51,920
are actually their experiments are

1744
01:08:55,430 --> 01:08:52,799
actually

1745
01:08:57,510 --> 01:08:55,440
causing these uh parallel realities to

1746
01:08:58,950 --> 01:08:57,520
sort of splinter and fracture um i i

1747
01:09:00,229 --> 01:08:58,960
don't really have any evidence of that

1748
01:09:02,149 --> 01:09:00,239
i'm not sure really where that idea

1749
01:09:03,510 --> 01:09:02,159
comes from but i'm just putting it out

1750
01:09:05,110 --> 01:09:03,520
there because it is floated as an

1751
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:05,120
explanation we've discussed it many

1752
01:09:09,110 --> 01:09:06,799
times on this show

1753
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:09,120
yeah many many times on the show and

1754
01:09:13,189 --> 01:09:11,359
that's another but that's another

1755
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:13,199
well you know that's a whole other show

1756
01:09:19,110 --> 01:09:16,080
actually all together but the the reason

1757
01:09:21,829 --> 01:09:19,120
why i think all of us are concerned

1758
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:21,839
about cern no pun intended that we're so

1759
01:09:26,789 --> 01:09:24,080
concerned about it is that

1760
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:26,799
when your goal is to

1761
01:09:29,829 --> 01:09:28,000
uh

1762
01:09:31,990 --> 01:09:29,839
accidentally at the speed of light

1763
01:09:35,189 --> 01:09:32,000
create many black holes

1764
01:09:37,990 --> 01:09:35,199
and not knowing the outcome of said

1765
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,000
experiment or the implications of it or

1766
01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:40,480
dissolving switzerland into another

1767
01:09:43,590 --> 01:09:41,359
world

1768
01:09:45,990 --> 01:09:43,600
right um that

1769
01:09:47,749 --> 01:09:46,000
doing the these kinds of experiments

1770
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:47,759
which i understand that we need to do

1771
01:09:51,189 --> 01:09:49,040
this

1772
01:09:53,269 --> 01:09:51,199
but we don't know the effects

1773
01:09:55,990 --> 01:09:53,279
right and could there have been the

1774
01:09:57,510 --> 01:09:56,000
piercing of a parallel world or opening

1775
01:10:00,310 --> 01:09:57,520
up portals or

1776
01:10:02,709 --> 01:10:00,320
allowing things into our world that we

1777
01:10:04,870 --> 01:10:02,719
didn't intend for and we certainly don't

1778
01:10:07,990 --> 01:10:04,880
have any control over it and could that

1779
01:10:11,830 --> 01:10:08,000
be the possibility of some of these uh

1780
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:11,840
shifted memories of our past well again

1781
01:10:18,149 --> 01:10:14,640
i'm okay with that i'm okay with

1782
01:10:20,229 --> 01:10:18,159
postulating that i should say

1783
01:10:22,070 --> 01:10:20,239
yeah who knows i mean i i definitely

1784
01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:22,080
believe that the cern boys are up to

1785
01:10:27,350 --> 01:10:25,040
some very non-standard model

1786
01:10:28,550 --> 01:10:27,360
unconventional experiments

1787
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:28,560
that's not really what they're telling

1788
01:10:32,630 --> 01:10:29,920
the public

1789
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:32,640
you don't have

1790
01:10:39,270 --> 01:10:37,360
giant counter rotating magnetic fields

1791
01:10:41,750 --> 01:10:39,280
and not yet bizarre effects that can't

1792
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:41,760
be explained right you study ufos you

1793
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:43,760
know a giant counter rotating magnetic

1794
01:10:47,990 --> 01:10:45,600
fields and plasma

1795
01:10:48,870 --> 01:10:48,000
go into right

1796
01:10:50,149 --> 01:10:48,880
yeah

1797
01:10:52,070 --> 01:10:50,159
whether or not that's creating the

1798
01:10:53,350 --> 01:10:52,080
alternate realities i mean that's just i

1799
01:10:55,270 --> 01:10:53,360
can't do anything more than speculate

1800
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:55,280
but it's interesting um

1801
01:10:58,630 --> 01:10:57,440
as far as like more parsimonious

1802
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:58,640
explanations

1803
01:11:02,709 --> 01:11:00,239
uh that are still kind of wildly

1804
01:11:05,350 --> 01:11:02,719
speculative but maybe a better fit in my

1805
01:11:08,709 --> 01:11:05,360
mind the simulation theory or the

1806
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:08,719
simulation argument is a good one too

1807
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:10,960
yeah i study this stuff all the time and

1808
01:11:16,310 --> 01:11:13,760
it i love it uh to

1809
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:16,320
i love it when these physicists and

1810
01:11:21,750 --> 01:11:19,120
theoretical physicists and philosophers

1811
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:21,760
uh start to go at it in these debates uh

1812
01:11:25,350 --> 01:11:23,679
when they're discussing consciousness or

1813
01:11:28,070 --> 01:11:25,360
simulation theory

1814
01:11:30,630 --> 01:11:28,080
um and uh and quantum mechanics and

1815
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:30,640
quantum theory and string theory it is

1816
01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:32,159
amazing

1817
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:34,880
to have all of these great minds

1818
01:11:38,709 --> 01:11:36,650
not agree

1819
01:11:40,310 --> 01:11:38,719
[Laughter]

1820
01:11:43,669 --> 01:11:40,320
if there's one thing that great minds do

1821
01:11:46,070 --> 01:11:43,679
it's not agreeing oh they just go

1822
01:11:49,910 --> 01:11:46,080
they really really do and and they come

1823
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:49,920
from a foundation of of strong academics

1824
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:52,480
and they are very tough to bend

1825
01:11:55,030 --> 01:11:53,600
right

1826
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:55,040
you know

1827
01:11:59,590 --> 01:11:57,520
when you get when you get a physicist a

1828
01:12:01,350 --> 01:11:59,600
career professional physicist and

1829
01:12:03,830 --> 01:12:01,360
theoretical physicist

1830
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:03,840
going at it and throwing a philosopher

1831
01:12:10,630 --> 01:12:06,719
and and start to discuss the universe

1832
01:12:13,350 --> 01:12:10,640
and and simulation theory oh man i love

1833
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:13,360
it it's nothing better and now let's get

1834
01:12:17,110 --> 01:12:15,280
back to this because this is what you do

1835
01:12:20,310 --> 01:12:17,120
when you research this

1836
01:12:22,709 --> 01:12:20,320
um your software which is called

1837
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:22,719
entangled right

1838
01:12:28,390 --> 01:12:25,040
your software as you started to develop

1839
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:28,400
this what was the intention

1840
01:12:31,990 --> 01:12:29,920
what were you trying to achieve with the

1841
01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:32,000
software

1842
01:12:37,669 --> 01:12:35,120
well it was basically to show twofold

1843
01:12:39,350 --> 01:12:37,679
one to give people a hands-on experience

1844
01:12:41,189 --> 01:12:39,360
of consciousness affecting physical

1845
01:12:42,149 --> 01:12:41,199
reality a

1846
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:42,159
and b

1847
01:12:47,110 --> 01:12:44,960
to expand the

1848
01:12:49,430 --> 01:12:47,120
level of inquiry in consciousness

1849
01:12:50,870 --> 01:12:49,440
research to a global scale and i should

1850
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:50,880
probably step back and explain a little

1851
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:52,400
bit about

1852
01:12:57,590 --> 01:12:55,440
the uh the origin of

1853
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:57,600
the uh of entangled

1854
01:13:00,709 --> 01:12:59,280
because it'll start to make sense that

1855
01:13:01,669 --> 01:13:00,719
way sure

1856
01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:01,679
okay

1857
01:13:05,750 --> 01:13:03,600
so back in the 70s

1858
01:13:08,709 --> 01:13:05,760
there was the dean of princeton robert

1859
01:13:10,390 --> 01:13:08,719
john and he had he was basically sitting

1860
01:13:12,070 --> 01:13:10,400
at the height of his career he was the

1861
01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:12,080
dean of the engineering school he had

1862
01:13:16,830 --> 01:13:13,520
invented

1863
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:16,840
a new generation of electric

1864
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:19,920
spacecraft plasma propulsion

1865
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:21,040
and

1866
01:13:24,229 --> 01:13:22,560
he started to

1867
01:13:26,390 --> 01:13:24,239
think about the very questions that we

1868
01:13:27,830 --> 01:13:26,400
were discussing today namely

1869
01:13:29,830 --> 01:13:27,840
surrounding consciousness is

1870
01:13:33,990 --> 01:13:29,840
consciousness an illusion or is there

1871
01:13:38,550 --> 01:13:36,070
a part of the fundamental fabric of

1872
01:13:39,430 --> 01:13:38,560
physical reality and

1873
01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:39,440
he

1874
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:41,199
and his

1875
01:13:45,669 --> 01:13:42,880
one of his students

1876
01:13:47,189 --> 01:13:45,679
designed an experiment to test that

1877
01:13:49,270 --> 01:13:47,199
and that experiment

1878
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:49,280
now famous is

1879
01:13:53,750 --> 01:13:51,600
using random number generators

1880
01:13:56,310 --> 01:13:53,760
so random number generators are not

1881
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:56,320
computer programs but they convert

1882
01:14:00,390 --> 01:13:58,239
physical phenomena like

1883
01:14:02,870 --> 01:14:00,400
quantum tunneling or something like that

1884
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:02,880
into a series of unpredictable ones and

1885
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:04,000
zeros

1886
01:14:06,790 --> 01:14:05,280
and because of what we know about

1887
01:14:08,550 --> 01:14:06,800
quantum mechanics

1888
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:08,560
those series of ones and zeros are

1889
01:14:12,390 --> 01:14:10,560
intrinsically random and there's good

1890
01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:12,400
ways to shield it so you can think of it

1891
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:14,560
kind of like a quantum coin flipper it's

1892
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:16,480
flipping heads tails heads heads heads

1893
01:14:19,990 --> 01:14:18,960
tails many many many times

1894
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:20,000
you can look at the heads and you can

1895
01:14:25,030 --> 01:14:21,760
look at the tails and you find that

1896
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:25,040
there's basically 50 50 heads and tails

1897
01:14:30,470 --> 01:14:27,120
perfectly random right right

1898
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,480
until you get consciousness or

1899
01:14:33,510 --> 01:14:32,080
a volunteer

1900
01:14:34,550 --> 01:14:33,520
in this case to sit in front of the

1901
01:14:37,110 --> 01:14:34,560
machine

1902
01:14:39,350 --> 01:14:37,120
and using only their thoughts to try to

1903
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,360
nudge the output of that random number

1904
01:14:44,390 --> 01:14:41,360
generator to produce more ones or more

1905
01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:44,400
zeros very straightforward it turns out

1906
01:14:48,390 --> 01:14:45,679
that

1907
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:48,400
the machine typically responds and it

1908
01:14:51,350 --> 01:14:50,000
responds in some statistically

1909
01:14:52,229 --> 01:14:51,360
significant way

1910
01:14:54,310 --> 01:14:52,239
meaning

1911
01:14:56,630 --> 01:14:54,320
a person intends oh i'm going to make it

1912
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:56,640
produce more ones out come more ones

1913
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:58,480
more zeros outcome more zeros and so

1914
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:59,440
forth

1915
01:15:03,669 --> 01:15:01,440
very simple experiment but profound in

1916
01:15:05,669 --> 01:15:03,679
its implications because there's no

1917
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:05,679
standard model explanation for how

1918
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:07,679
consciousness could be

1919
01:15:13,910 --> 01:15:11,679
correlated or be affecting the output of

1920
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:13,920
this device it implies that there's some

1921
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:16,560
sort of non-local or unseen information

1922
01:15:21,830 --> 01:15:18,960
exchange between the consciousness and

1923
01:15:25,830 --> 01:15:23,430
so that work

1924
01:15:27,270 --> 01:15:25,840
persisted for several decades and was

1925
01:15:28,310 --> 01:15:27,280
you know published and repeated and all

1926
01:15:31,270 --> 01:15:28,320
of that

1927
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:31,280
controversial and and still is today

1928
01:15:35,830 --> 01:15:33,120
out of the pear lab there was a

1929
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:35,840
researcher named roger nelson and dean

1930
01:15:41,510 --> 01:15:38,159
raiden who you might have had on your

1931
01:15:44,149 --> 01:15:41,520
show before absolutely yep and they had

1932
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:44,159
the idea well okay we're

1933
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:45,920
finding these anomalies

1934
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:48,159
uh when it's a single person attempting

1935
01:15:53,350 --> 01:15:50,880
to affect this device

1936
01:15:54,630 --> 01:15:53,360
what if we brought one of these devices

1937
01:15:57,110 --> 01:15:54,640
to

1938
01:15:59,350 --> 01:15:57,120
environments in which no one's

1939
01:16:01,750 --> 01:15:59,360
intentionally trying to affect it

1940
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,760
but are engaged in some sort of abnormal

1941
01:16:05,350 --> 01:16:03,600
consciousness activity meaning they're

1942
01:16:07,510 --> 01:16:05,360
at a concert or they're at a business

1943
01:16:10,470 --> 01:16:07,520
meeting or they're in a drum circle or

1944
01:16:11,910 --> 01:16:10,480
they're at yoga or they're meditating

1945
01:16:14,070 --> 01:16:11,920
something like that

1946
01:16:16,229 --> 01:16:14,080
and what they found was that when you

1947
01:16:18,229 --> 01:16:16,239
brought these random number generators

1948
01:16:19,910 --> 01:16:18,239
in the physical into physical proximity

1949
01:16:21,270 --> 01:16:19,920
of people that are for example

1950
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:21,280
meditating

1951
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,880
you can often register in effect now

1952
01:16:27,510 --> 01:16:24,560
there's a lot of debate as to what that

1953
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:29,990
but nonetheless there is this effect so

1954
01:16:34,310 --> 01:16:31,840
probably over a couple of beers one

1955
01:16:36,310 --> 01:16:34,320
night they said well what if we expand

1956
01:16:37,990 --> 01:16:36,320
this network of random number generators

1957
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:38,000
around the world

1958
01:16:41,830 --> 01:16:39,760
and collect data

1959
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:41,840
centrally at a centralized location

1960
01:16:45,990 --> 01:16:43,920
would we be able to find anything

1961
01:16:49,990 --> 01:16:46,000
that is like

1962
01:16:51,990 --> 01:16:50,000
coherent signals between these devices

1963
01:16:53,990 --> 01:16:52,000
meaning if you had a random number

1964
01:16:56,870 --> 01:16:54,000
generator in

1965
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:56,880
australia and one in the middle east and

1966
01:17:00,470 --> 01:16:58,560
we're in america

1967
01:17:01,270 --> 01:17:00,480
their data output should all be random

1968
01:17:02,790 --> 01:17:01,280
but

1969
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:02,800
could we find

1970
01:17:06,550 --> 01:17:04,960
times in which they are synchronized or

1971
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:06,560
which they're coherent and do those

1972
01:17:09,270 --> 01:17:08,159
times correspond to anything that's

1973
01:17:10,630 --> 01:17:09,280
happening that would capture global

1974
01:17:12,790 --> 01:17:10,640
attention

1975
01:17:13,910 --> 01:17:12,800
so that's what they did and that is

1976
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famously known as the global

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consciousness project

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and it's been running for 20 something

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years

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01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:20,000
there's a network of about 70 random

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01:17:25,110 --> 01:17:22,560
number generators that are

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01:17:26,229 --> 01:17:25,120
producing data which is being collected

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01:17:27,990 --> 01:17:26,239
and

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i think most people know about this

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01:17:34,470 --> 01:17:32,000
through the 911 output where a few hours

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01:17:36,070 --> 01:17:34,480
before the plane struck the first plane

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struck on 911

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you had a hugely statistically

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01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:40,080
significant

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01:17:46,149 --> 01:17:43,679
covariance yeah spike it was a i i i

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01:17:48,870 --> 01:17:46,159
watched the graphs on that

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01:17:50,790 --> 01:17:48,880
and that is something that is uh that

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01:17:52,709 --> 01:17:50,800
doesn't need to be explained i mean that

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01:17:54,550 --> 01:17:52,719
is just uh

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01:17:56,390 --> 01:17:54,560
especially when you're pragmatic right

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and that's what you need in is charts

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01:18:01,350 --> 01:17:57,679
and graphs

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01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:03,669
yeah uh exactly i don't remember the

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01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:06,080
exact statistical likelihood but it was

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01:18:09,430 --> 01:18:07,760
off the charts it was off the charts it

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01:18:11,189 --> 01:18:09,440
was off the charts we need to take a

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01:18:12,870 --> 01:18:11,199
break right here and adam during this

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01:18:14,070 --> 01:18:12,880
break i want you to go and check out

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01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:14,080
your twitter

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01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:16,480
account because i copied you here

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01:18:19,669 --> 01:18:18,880
and there is a copy of

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01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:19,679
says

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shazam

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01:18:24,149 --> 01:18:22,400
on videotape

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01:18:25,990 --> 01:18:24,159
amazing there's a there's a picture of

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01:18:27,590 --> 01:18:26,000
it there and i guess we're gonna uh

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01:18:29,510 --> 01:18:27,600
we're gonna watch this

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01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:29,520
at some point so let's take our break

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right here this is fade to black i'm

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01:18:35,750 --> 01:18:33,760
your host jimmy church now wouldn't that

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01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:35,760
tip the world on its ear after

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everything that was said about the movie

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shazam

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01:18:42,390 --> 01:18:40,800
and then we actually get the movie

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01:18:44,149 --> 01:18:42,400
and it it's right here it's in twitter

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01:18:46,229 --> 01:18:44,159
to go check it out this is fade to black

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01:18:48,070 --> 01:18:46,239
our guest tonight adam curry we're gonna

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01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:48,080
do this experiment when we come back

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stay with us

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all right welcome back

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fade to black our guest tonight adam

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curry you can follow me on twitter at

2028
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:09,679
jchurchradio you can follow adam at

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01:19:13,990 --> 01:19:12,159
adam's lab and

2030
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:14,000
as you can see twitter's starting to

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01:19:19,590 --> 01:19:16,320
heat up here uh pretty good adam did you

2032
01:19:21,110 --> 01:19:19,600
see the copy of the shazam videotape

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01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:21,120
i haven't looked at it yet okay looking

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01:19:25,110 --> 01:19:23,040
forward to it well it looks like we're

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01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:25,120
gonna get uh

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01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:28,719
we're gonna get the tape to play

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01:19:34,790 --> 01:19:32,640
and then shoot it on the tv with uh

2038
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:34,800
a cell phone video and we're gonna post

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01:19:40,550 --> 01:19:37,199
that up here on twitter now wouldn't

2040
01:19:43,590 --> 01:19:40,560
that be a pretty memorable show

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01:19:45,990 --> 01:19:43,600
amazing yeah yeah we shall see we shall

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01:19:48,149 --> 01:19:46,000
see i mean we all need you know i keep

2043
01:19:50,709 --> 01:19:48,159
saying what would it take for proof

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01:19:52,070 --> 01:19:50,719
and you know to tip the scales once one

2045
01:19:54,470 --> 01:19:52,080
thing falls

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01:19:57,430 --> 01:19:54,480
adam and i doll it's all going to just

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01:19:59,189 --> 01:19:57,440
fall um including i would have thought

2048
01:20:03,350 --> 01:19:59,199
that the

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01:20:05,750 --> 01:20:03,360
uh the spike at 9 11 uh with uh the

2050
01:20:06,870 --> 01:20:05,760
internet consciousness right feeding

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01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:06,880
itself

2052
01:20:11,110 --> 01:20:09,760
was a lot of proof of something and

2053
01:20:12,709 --> 01:20:11,120
nobody really

2054
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:12,719
bit on it

2055
01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:15,120
why do you think that was

2056
01:20:19,990 --> 01:20:17,840
well it's pretty out there

2057
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:20,000
wouldn't say that nobody bid on it

2058
01:20:24,470 --> 01:20:22,000
you know millions and millions of people

2059
01:20:27,350 --> 01:20:24,480
heard about that and were

2060
01:20:28,630 --> 01:20:27,360
catalyzed into exploring or deepening

2061
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:28,640
their rabbit hole

2062
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:30,560
so it did have an effect

2063
01:20:35,270 --> 01:20:33,040
you might even look at it differently

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uh it could be that collectively there

2065
01:20:40,070 --> 01:20:38,000
is a pre-sentiment

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01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,080
that the rngs picked up about what was

2067
01:20:45,350 --> 01:20:42,239
about to happen you could also look at

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01:20:46,550 --> 01:20:45,360
it as what's called retrocausality

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01:20:49,110 --> 01:20:46,560
meaning

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01:20:51,350 --> 01:20:49,120
because that event was so important

2071
01:20:54,149 --> 01:20:51,360
the 911 spike

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01:20:55,590 --> 01:20:54,159
everyone who in the future were to hear

2073
01:20:57,990 --> 01:20:55,600
about it

2074
01:21:00,229 --> 01:20:58,000
caused a backwards going effect

2075
01:21:02,149 --> 01:21:00,239
at the moment that the data was recorded

2076
01:21:03,910 --> 01:21:02,159
hours before the plane struck to create

2077
01:21:06,630 --> 01:21:03,920
that spike

2078
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:06,640
and that's even more sensational

2079
01:21:10,950 --> 01:21:08,880
right that's that's that's

2080
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:10,960
yeah that's pretty big stuff

2081
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:14,000
and when um you you started to put this

2082
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:16,239
software together okay well let's

2083
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:18,400
actually let's let's let's talk about

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01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:19,360
that

2085
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:21,600
um because we're gonna we're gonna

2086
01:21:25,110 --> 01:21:23,840
attempt this experiment here with

2087
01:21:27,590 --> 01:21:25,120
everybody

2088
01:21:29,189 --> 01:21:27,600
and i don't know what the experiment is

2089
01:21:30,790 --> 01:21:29,199
i'm gonna hear about it uh with

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01:21:33,189 --> 01:21:30,800
everybody else for the first time so we

2091
01:21:34,149 --> 01:21:33,199
can all participate in this together

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01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:34,159
um

2093
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:36,960
but what does entangle do i know you

2094
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:39,760
gave the scientific explanation

2095
01:21:43,910 --> 01:21:42,560
but to somebody that downloads this onto

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01:21:47,030 --> 01:21:43,920
their phone

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01:21:49,990 --> 01:21:47,040
uh explain it to them

2098
01:21:52,070 --> 01:21:50,000
so entangled isn't out yet as you know

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01:21:53,750 --> 01:21:52,080
um i've got one more feature that i kind

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01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:53,760
of discovered on accident that i think

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01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,320
makes the whole app ten times better and

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01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:58,560
so i'm waiting to put that into it but

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01:22:02,070 --> 01:22:00,560
the idea is that it turns when you

2104
01:22:05,270 --> 01:22:02,080
download the app to your phone it turns

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01:22:07,750 --> 01:22:05,280
your phone into a real physical random

2106
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:07,760
number generator and allows data

2107
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:09,520
collection to happen around the world

2108
01:22:12,870 --> 01:22:10,400
across

2109
01:22:14,709 --> 01:22:12,880
hundreds of thousands of data points so

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01:22:16,950 --> 01:22:14,719
that we can start to get a better

2111
01:22:19,030 --> 01:22:16,960
picture of what we mean when we

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01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:19,040
sort of globally talk about collective

2113
01:22:21,590 --> 01:22:20,159
consciousness or collective

2114
01:22:22,950 --> 01:22:21,600
consciousness effects meaning we can

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01:22:25,110 --> 01:22:22,960
look at

2116
01:22:27,910 --> 01:22:25,120
these output of random number generators

2117
01:22:29,910 --> 01:22:27,920
on your phones in real time and uh

2118
01:22:31,990 --> 01:22:29,920
start to actually pose experiments we're

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01:22:33,110 --> 01:22:32,000
not reactively looking at data but we

2120
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:33,120
can

2121
01:22:38,070 --> 01:22:35,199
sort of more proactively

2122
01:22:39,830 --> 01:22:38,080
set up experiments and test outcomes um

2123
01:22:40,709 --> 01:22:39,840
when that's done i'll come back on your

2124
01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:40,719
show

2125
01:22:44,550 --> 01:22:42,320
and uh we'll explore that a little bit

2126
01:22:46,550 --> 01:22:44,560
more yeah absolutely well and then we

2127
01:22:48,950 --> 01:22:46,560
have you know collective memories too as

2128
01:22:51,830 --> 01:22:48,960
well like there are a lot of people out

2129
01:22:55,030 --> 01:22:51,840
there a lot millions of people that

2130
01:22:57,669 --> 01:22:55,040
actually remember or think that sammy

2131
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:57,679
hagar replaced david lee roth and van

2132
01:23:04,070 --> 01:23:00,320
halen and it never happened

2133
01:23:09,270 --> 01:23:06,070
see i'm joking see i just messed with

2134
01:23:11,510 --> 01:23:09,280
you and that's and that is part of the

2135
01:23:14,390 --> 01:23:11,520
collective memory right

2136
01:23:17,910 --> 01:23:14,400
is it the power of suggestion and and

2137
01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:17,920
then suddenly it becomes a real memory

2138
01:23:21,510 --> 01:23:19,520
well i think that there's something to

2139
01:23:24,709 --> 01:23:21,520
that i think that

2140
01:23:26,229 --> 01:23:24,719
you can get bizarre effects so long as

2141
01:23:28,310 --> 01:23:26,239
you're able to

2142
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:28,320
create doubt in your own mind right let

2143
01:23:32,830 --> 01:23:30,480
me let me give you an example

2144
01:23:36,629 --> 01:23:32,840
did you lock your your car door

2145
01:23:38,950 --> 01:23:36,639
today oh man okay great question i think

2146
01:23:41,110 --> 01:23:38,960
i did you think you did right but maybe

2147
01:23:43,830 --> 01:23:41,120
you didn't right because it's so

2148
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:43,840
normal for you right it's automatic

2149
01:23:46,070 --> 01:23:44,800
right

2150
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:46,080
and you've

2151
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:47,760
previously not locked your car door

2152
01:23:49,750 --> 01:23:48,400
right

2153
01:23:51,270 --> 01:23:49,760
you've forgotten in the past to lock

2154
01:23:52,070 --> 01:23:51,280
your car door sure

2155
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:52,080
yeah

2156
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:53,280
and maybe

2157
01:23:56,870 --> 01:23:55,520
you had a long trip the other day and

2158
01:23:58,390 --> 01:23:56,880
you didn't sleep very well and you're

2159
01:23:59,750 --> 01:23:58,400
just kind of out of it and it's just one

2160
01:24:02,790 --> 01:23:59,760
of those days and you didn't lock your

2161
01:24:04,550 --> 01:24:02,800
car door could be it could be that

2162
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:04,560
there's some

2163
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:06,239
interesting synchronicity between me

2164
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:07,440
bringing up the fact that you didn't

2165
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:09,120
lock your car door and the fact that

2166
01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:10,800
when you go to check tonight you didn't

2167
01:24:14,390 --> 01:24:12,320
lock your car door

2168
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:14,400
right so you see what i'm doing

2169
01:24:19,910 --> 01:24:15,840
in the from the point of view of the

2170
01:24:21,270 --> 01:24:19,920
present moment i'm i'm creating for you

2171
01:24:23,590 --> 01:24:21,280
reasons

2172
01:24:25,270 --> 01:24:23,600
uh that this phenomenon didn't happen

2173
01:24:28,790 --> 01:24:25,280
and now the

2174
01:24:30,709 --> 01:24:28,800
the car door being locked or unlocked is

2175
01:24:32,550 --> 01:24:30,719
sort of in a state of superposition in

2176
01:24:35,189 --> 01:24:32,560
your own mind right you think you did

2177
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:35,199
but you're not a hundred percent sure

2178
01:24:40,629 --> 01:24:36,960
and maybe after this conversation you're

2179
01:24:43,030 --> 01:24:40,639
a little bit less sure that you did

2180
01:24:45,830 --> 01:24:43,040
so for my way of thinking

2181
01:24:46,709 --> 01:24:45,840
anytime that there are probabilities

2182
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:46,719
you

2183
01:24:54,709 --> 01:24:51,520
probabilities to

2184
01:24:56,709 --> 01:24:54,719
fungibleness by consciousness

2185
01:24:59,030 --> 01:24:56,719
and that incidentally is how i think of

2186
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:59,040
the mandela effect to put it a little

2187
01:25:03,030 --> 01:25:01,120
differently

2188
01:25:04,550 --> 01:25:03,040
every theory

2189
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:04,560
that's like a really good fear not every

2190
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:06,639
theory but most theories in

2191
01:25:10,149 --> 01:25:08,800
that are proposed in science uh they're

2192
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:10,159
symmetric

2193
01:25:15,189 --> 01:25:11,120
and

2194
01:25:17,990 --> 01:25:15,199
might be symmetric so we're used to

2195
01:25:20,870 --> 01:25:18,000
thinking of the past

2196
01:25:23,030 --> 01:25:20,880
as 100 set in stone

2197
01:25:24,470 --> 01:25:23,040
happened one way did not change but the

2198
01:25:26,790 --> 01:25:24,480
future

2199
01:25:29,110 --> 01:25:26,800
is a probability function of the present

2200
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:29,120
meaning it's likely to be one way but it

2201
01:25:33,110 --> 01:25:31,120
may not be that way but it's likely to

2202
01:25:34,070 --> 01:25:33,120
be a certain way

2203
01:25:36,070 --> 01:25:34,080
so

2204
01:25:38,550 --> 01:25:36,080
that is a very asymmetric way of looking

2205
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:38,560
at causality from the present

2206
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:41,040
you know causing something in the future

2207
01:25:44,709 --> 01:25:43,280
but what if it was actually symmetric so

2208
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:44,719
what if time was symmetric you would

2209
01:25:48,310 --> 01:25:46,080
have

2210
01:25:50,470 --> 01:25:48,320
basically a probability the past is like

2211
01:25:52,629 --> 01:25:50,480
a probability function

2212
01:25:54,070 --> 01:25:52,639
of the present moment just as the future

2213
01:25:56,149 --> 01:25:54,080
is a probability function of the present

2214
01:25:58,070 --> 01:25:56,159
moment and because it's a probability

2215
01:25:59,030 --> 01:25:58,080
function from the point of view of the

2216
01:26:01,750 --> 01:25:59,040
present

2217
01:26:05,030 --> 01:26:01,760
with consciousness we can actually

2218
01:26:07,270 --> 01:26:05,040
shift those probabilities in a way that

2219
01:26:09,910 --> 01:26:07,280
affects the past from our point of view

2220
01:26:12,550 --> 01:26:09,920
does that make sense well it it does if

2221
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:12,560
we take it literally but how could the

2222
01:26:17,990 --> 01:26:15,600
past have probabilities in it when it's

2223
01:26:22,709 --> 01:26:18,000
happened

2224
01:26:24,790 --> 01:26:22,719
in your mind

2225
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:24,800
and there's only evidence of it where

2226
01:26:29,669 --> 01:26:27,920
and when you go to look for it

2227
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:29,679
so

2228
01:26:33,270 --> 01:26:31,840
basically what this implies is

2229
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:33,280
something that we've known for a while

2230
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,199
is just that any theory of reality

2231
01:26:38,790 --> 01:26:37,120
really needs only

2232
01:26:40,870 --> 01:26:38,800
two criteria

2233
01:26:43,189 --> 01:26:40,880
you need consistent histories and you

2234
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:43,199
need probable futures

2235
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:45,440
so consistent history is

2236
01:26:49,510 --> 01:26:47,679
there is a consistent line of what

2237
01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:49,520
appears to be cause and effect

2238
01:26:52,470 --> 01:26:51,120
to explain something in the in the

2239
01:26:54,550 --> 01:26:52,480
present moment

2240
01:26:55,910 --> 01:26:54,560
and probable futures meaning that

2241
01:26:57,750 --> 01:26:55,920
reality isn't going to spin off into

2242
01:26:59,510 --> 01:26:57,760
some unpredictable direction because

2243
01:27:01,270 --> 01:26:59,520
life that's very not friendly to life

2244
01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:01,280
right

2245
01:27:04,390 --> 01:27:02,880
so consistent histories and probable

2246
01:27:07,590 --> 01:27:04,400
futures are really all you need and

2247
01:27:08,950 --> 01:27:07,600
incidentally all we have

2248
01:27:11,350 --> 01:27:08,960
so

2249
01:27:13,030 --> 01:27:11,360
if the past is a probability function of

2250
01:27:14,950 --> 01:27:13,040
the present i'm not saying that it is

2251
01:27:17,590 --> 01:27:14,960
i'm saying that it might be right

2252
01:27:20,470 --> 01:27:19,030
what we know about consciousness

2253
01:27:23,189 --> 01:27:20,480
affecting physical reality or

2254
01:27:24,709 --> 01:27:23,199
probabilistic systems means that

2255
01:27:26,229 --> 01:27:24,719
from the point of view of the present we

2256
01:27:28,709 --> 01:27:26,239
might be affecting the past in a way

2257
01:27:30,790 --> 01:27:28,719
that lines up to be consistent with the

2258
01:27:33,030 --> 01:27:30,800
present moment

2259
01:27:34,870 --> 01:27:33,040
isn't that more sensational than

2260
01:27:36,709 --> 01:27:34,880
parallel worlds

2261
01:27:39,189 --> 01:27:36,719
i actually think it resolves parallel

2262
01:27:40,470 --> 01:27:39,199
worlds right right you do it yes yeah

2263
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:40,480
yes okay

2264
01:27:45,910 --> 01:27:43,440
well um last week i don't want to i

2265
01:27:46,790 --> 01:27:45,920
don't want to uh revisit this subject

2266
01:27:48,390 --> 01:27:46,800
but

2267
01:27:50,709 --> 01:27:48,400
um i have to because of this

2268
01:27:53,910 --> 01:27:50,719
conversation i'm gonna give you the very

2269
01:27:55,189 --> 01:27:53,920
very very very short version of

2270
01:27:57,189 --> 01:27:55,199
this

2271
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:57,199
in 1972

2272
01:28:00,790 --> 01:27:58,880
i stepped out i was nine years old

2273
01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:00,800
stepped out into my front yard i saw

2274
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:03,120
something in in the summer

2275
01:28:08,070 --> 01:28:04,960
i saw something up in the sky caught my

2276
01:28:11,590 --> 01:28:08,080
eye i look up and i see

2277
01:28:14,470 --> 01:28:11,600
a a rigid airship like the hindenburg

2278
01:28:15,590 --> 01:28:14,480
right with the ribs that motors on the

2279
01:28:17,350 --> 01:28:15,600
side

2280
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:17,360
you know the whole thing and i see it

2281
01:28:21,750 --> 01:28:19,840
fly by and i and i chase it across this

2282
01:28:25,030 --> 01:28:21,760
field it was low

2283
01:28:28,070 --> 01:28:25,040
and i counted the engines and i just

2284
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:28,080
you know memorized everything so uh two

2285
01:28:30,709 --> 01:28:29,840
days ago

2286
01:28:32,550 --> 01:28:30,719
uh

2287
01:28:33,750 --> 01:28:32,560
i think it was two days ago maybe

2288
01:28:35,910 --> 01:28:33,760
anyway

2289
01:28:37,590 --> 01:28:35,920
um or was it thursday of last week

2290
01:28:39,910 --> 01:28:37,600
today's tuesday must have been thursday

2291
01:28:41,030 --> 01:28:39,920
of last week i went and i the memory

2292
01:28:42,790 --> 01:28:41,040
came back

2293
01:28:47,430 --> 01:28:42,800
i'm like oh yeah that's right so i

2294
01:28:49,110 --> 01:28:47,440
decided to research um uh

2295
01:28:51,910 --> 01:28:49,120
the airships

2296
01:28:53,830 --> 01:28:51,920
and so i could find out which one that i

2297
01:28:55,669 --> 01:28:53,840
saw maybe i could find the name of it

2298
01:28:58,149 --> 01:28:55,679
right and you know what year they were

2299
01:29:00,629 --> 01:28:58,159
flying around and what bases they were

2300
01:29:01,750 --> 01:29:00,639
stationed at and so forth you know with

2301
01:29:04,470 --> 01:29:01,760
the navy

2302
01:29:06,629 --> 01:29:04,480
and so i start researching on the web

2303
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:06,639
and then i find out

2304
01:29:14,470 --> 01:29:09,600
that there were none

2305
01:29:17,070 --> 01:29:14,480
program the last one was dismantled at

2306
01:29:18,709 --> 01:29:17,080
the end of 1939 none had flown since

2307
01:29:21,430 --> 01:29:18,719
1935

2308
01:29:24,310 --> 01:29:21,440
the hindenburg crashed in 37

2309
01:29:27,270 --> 01:29:24,320
effectively ending the program worldwide

2310
01:29:28,229 --> 01:29:27,280
after the hindenburg in 37 there were no

2311
01:29:30,709 --> 01:29:28,239
more

2312
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:30,719
rigid airships on planet earth

2313
01:29:37,270 --> 01:29:32,159
okay

2314
01:29:42,790 --> 01:29:40,229
do you understand and and so my mind was

2315
01:29:44,550 --> 01:29:42,800
blown last i mean i just couldn't it

2316
01:29:46,629 --> 01:29:44,560
didn't make any sense i thought i was

2317
01:29:48,870 --> 01:29:46,639
going to have some fun okay it was the

2318
01:29:51,030 --> 01:29:48,880
uss los angeles and it was at great

2319
01:29:53,750 --> 01:29:51,040
lakes naval air station north of chicago

2320
01:29:55,350 --> 01:29:53,760
in 1972 and it flew to los angeles

2321
01:29:56,709 --> 01:29:55,360
whatever you know i was going to find

2322
01:29:57,910 --> 01:29:56,719
out these facts

2323
01:30:00,390 --> 01:29:57,920
and

2324
01:30:01,270 --> 01:30:00,400
when i found out that there were none

2325
01:30:03,750 --> 01:30:01,280
now

2326
01:30:06,070 --> 01:30:03,760
wait a minute here

2327
01:30:08,390 --> 01:30:06,080
you know and so what what do i do with

2328
01:30:10,550 --> 01:30:08,400
that i i i i

2329
01:30:12,070 --> 01:30:10,560
my memory is not going to change i saw

2330
01:30:17,189 --> 01:30:12,080
what i saw

2331
01:30:18,709 --> 01:30:17,199
what what do we do with that adam what

2332
01:30:20,709 --> 01:30:18,719
you know that isn't

2333
01:30:22,550 --> 01:30:20,719
that isn't collective consciousness or

2334
01:30:23,910 --> 01:30:22,560
collective memories or suggestive

2335
01:30:25,750 --> 01:30:23,920
memories

2336
01:30:27,110 --> 01:30:25,760
that is something else all together and

2337
01:30:29,430 --> 01:30:27,120
i i don't know talking about the

2338
01:30:32,070 --> 01:30:29,440
parallel world i don't know was that an

2339
01:30:34,870 --> 01:30:32,080
example of that i have no idea

2340
01:30:38,070 --> 01:30:34,880
but the memory is real well it's a fine

2341
01:30:40,149 --> 01:30:38,080
case of alter vu right yeah well no

2342
01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:40,159
that's not alter vu because ultravio

2343
01:30:45,510 --> 01:30:43,120
says that it's a memory of something uh

2344
01:30:49,669 --> 01:30:45,520
that wasn't real

2345
01:30:53,110 --> 01:30:49,679
okay no it was real it was fit i saw it

2346
01:30:56,070 --> 01:30:53,120
it wasn't a ghost right it was about

2347
01:30:59,510 --> 01:30:56,080
saying i saw a ghost or a ufo

2348
01:31:02,790 --> 01:30:59,520
about saying anyth no it was a freaking

2349
01:31:04,550 --> 01:31:02,800
hindenburg flying over my house

2350
01:31:07,350 --> 01:31:04,560
well another example before we get into

2351
01:31:09,430 --> 01:31:07,360
the experiment that is

2352
01:31:11,430 --> 01:31:09,440
very common are dreams

2353
01:31:13,430 --> 01:31:11,440
we think of a dream as

2354
01:31:15,350 --> 01:31:13,440
something like that where

2355
01:31:17,590 --> 01:31:15,360
while we're sleeping

2356
01:31:19,590 --> 01:31:17,600
we're living in a reality that bears no

2357
01:31:22,229 --> 01:31:19,600
resemblance at all to

2358
01:31:24,149 --> 01:31:22,239
waking life but it seems so real

2359
01:31:25,669 --> 01:31:24,159
right you're you're this person these

2360
01:31:27,590 --> 01:31:25,679
people around you this scenario is

2361
01:31:30,550 --> 01:31:27,600
unfolding

2362
01:31:33,030 --> 01:31:30,560
and you wake up and you have

2363
01:31:35,669 --> 01:31:33,040
strong memories of this adventure or

2364
01:31:38,310 --> 01:31:35,679
whatever it was having taken place but

2365
01:31:40,470 --> 01:31:38,320
there's zero physical evidence for it

2366
01:31:42,870 --> 01:31:40,480
yeah i have no idea i don't know i don't

2367
01:31:45,990 --> 01:31:42,880
know did i some kind of crazy time

2368
01:31:47,430 --> 01:31:46,000
vortex did i just step through it

2369
01:31:49,510 --> 01:31:47,440
you know

2370
01:31:52,070 --> 01:31:49,520
i have no idea i have no idea but the

2371
01:31:53,910 --> 01:31:52,080
memory you know and it was so i mean

2372
01:31:56,149 --> 01:31:53,920
it's it's it's real it really happened

2373
01:31:57,510 --> 01:31:56,159
so much so that i went to research to

2374
01:31:59,990 --> 01:31:57,520
see what was

2375
01:32:01,030 --> 01:32:00,000
hanging out in chicago in 72 just for my

2376
01:32:02,629 --> 01:32:01,040
own little

2377
01:32:04,550 --> 01:32:02,639
you know my little satisfaction of

2378
01:32:06,149 --> 01:32:04,560
knowing what airship it was that's all i

2379
01:32:07,430 --> 01:32:06,159
was doing then i found out that there

2380
01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:07,440
were none

2381
01:32:11,510 --> 01:32:09,120
and they just stopped me in my tracks

2382
01:32:13,830 --> 01:32:11,520
okay what's the experiment how how do we

2383
01:32:16,790 --> 01:32:13,840
go about this

2384
01:32:18,629 --> 01:32:16,800
okay so the experiment is

2385
01:32:19,590 --> 01:32:18,639
a first test

2386
01:32:22,790 --> 01:32:19,600
into

2387
01:32:24,470 --> 01:32:22,800
what we're talking about meaning

2388
01:32:26,070 --> 01:32:24,480
can we affect

2389
01:32:28,550 --> 01:32:26,080
the past from the point of view of the

2390
01:32:31,110 --> 01:32:28,560
present okay

2391
01:32:31,990 --> 01:32:31,120
so you know my perspective here is that

2392
01:32:36,790 --> 01:32:32,000
if

2393
01:32:38,629 --> 01:32:36,800
is a probability function

2394
01:32:41,830 --> 01:32:38,639
then if we create something that is

2395
01:32:43,270 --> 01:32:41,840
intrinsically probabilistic

2396
01:32:44,550 --> 01:32:43,280
but in the past

2397
01:32:46,390 --> 01:32:44,560
then from the point of view the present

2398
01:32:48,470 --> 01:32:46,400
we might be able to affect that thing

2399
01:32:51,110 --> 01:32:48,480
okay when you say intrinsically you're

2400
01:32:54,149 --> 01:32:51,120
saying that it's not touchable

2401
01:32:56,070 --> 01:32:54,159
um it's it's fundamentally random it's

2402
01:32:57,510 --> 01:32:56,080
fundamentally random there's a random

2403
01:33:00,470 --> 01:32:57,520
component let's it's a there's a

2404
01:33:02,149 --> 01:33:00,480
probabilistic component okay so it's not

2405
01:33:06,830 --> 01:33:02,159
physical

2406
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:06,840
here's here's what i did okay so

2407
01:33:12,390 --> 01:33:10,000
yesterday at around eight o'clock

2408
01:33:15,590 --> 01:33:12,400
i set up an experiment okay

2409
01:33:18,310 --> 01:33:15,600
and the experiment involves measuring

2410
01:33:21,669 --> 01:33:18,320
the electrochemical properties of two

2411
01:33:23,910 --> 01:33:21,679
vials of water which are identical okay

2412
01:33:25,669 --> 01:33:23,920
okay so same source

2413
01:33:26,790 --> 01:33:25,679
same everything

2414
01:33:32,709 --> 01:33:26,800
vial

2415
01:33:35,430 --> 01:33:33,669
at

2416
01:33:38,709 --> 01:33:35,440
8 10

2417
01:33:39,510 --> 01:33:38,719
i set one vial aside

2418
01:33:41,590 --> 01:33:39,520
and

2419
01:33:43,350 --> 01:33:41,600
said for the next five minutes there's

2420
01:33:45,669 --> 01:33:43,360
going to be an influence from the

2421
01:33:47,030 --> 01:33:45,679
listeners of this radio show tomorrow

2422
01:33:48,629 --> 01:33:47,040
okay

2423
01:33:50,470 --> 01:33:48,639
so what we're going to have we're going

2424
01:33:53,270 --> 01:33:50,480
to do collectively is we're going to try

2425
01:33:56,550 --> 01:33:53,280
to send our intention back in time to

2426
01:33:57,910 --> 01:33:56,560
810 to when that vial of water

2427
01:33:59,990 --> 01:33:57,920
vial a

2428
01:34:01,830 --> 01:34:00,000
is sitting on the desk

2429
01:34:02,870 --> 01:34:01,840
before measuring its electrochemical

2430
01:34:03,910 --> 01:34:02,880
properties

2431
01:34:06,149 --> 01:34:03,920
and we're going to see if we can

2432
01:34:09,430 --> 01:34:06,159
register an effect

2433
01:34:12,470 --> 01:34:09,440
got you okay and vial b

2434
01:34:15,030 --> 01:34:12,480
was not set aside

2435
01:34:17,510 --> 01:34:15,040
that's your control vial

2436
01:34:19,350 --> 01:34:17,520
correct so we made a measurement so how

2437
01:34:21,189 --> 01:34:19,360
we're measuring this water is through

2438
01:34:23,510 --> 01:34:21,199
i'll spare you the details but it's it's

2439
01:34:26,390 --> 01:34:23,520
a device called a electrochemical

2440
01:34:27,430 --> 01:34:26,400
impedance spectroscopy device

2441
01:34:29,750 --> 01:34:27,440
and

2442
01:34:33,990 --> 01:34:29,760
eis

2443
01:34:35,990 --> 01:34:34,000
measures the impedance

2444
01:34:37,750 --> 01:34:36,000
of of water and you can think of

2445
01:34:40,470 --> 01:34:37,760
impedance in this sense of the opposite

2446
01:34:43,189 --> 01:34:40,480
of conductivity sure sure what's that

2447
01:34:44,470 --> 01:34:43,199
number now what's the uh what was the

2448
01:34:47,590 --> 01:34:44,480
impedance

2449
01:34:50,229 --> 01:34:47,600
well back then yesterday yes

2450
01:34:52,950 --> 01:34:50,239
okay so the control

2451
01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:52,960
started at 25 000.

2452
01:34:56,550 --> 01:34:54,080
got it

2453
01:34:59,030 --> 01:34:56,560
so measured measured the control at 25

2454
01:35:00,629 --> 01:34:59,040
000. okay now when water water is

2455
01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:00,639
interesting stuff right

2456
01:35:04,550 --> 01:35:03,840
and when water becomes more coherent

2457
01:35:06,950 --> 01:35:04,560
the

2458
01:35:08,229 --> 01:35:06,960
molecularly geometric

2459
01:35:09,990 --> 01:35:08,239
there's a number of things that take

2460
01:35:12,790 --> 01:35:10,000
place that allow water to become more

2461
01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:12,800
conductive and if it's more conductive

2462
01:35:16,390 --> 01:35:15,360
it means the impedance drops

2463
01:35:18,149 --> 01:35:16,400
so

2464
01:35:21,189 --> 01:35:18,159
i made the trial measurement and i'll

2465
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:21,199
send you the graphs here okay

2466
01:35:25,189 --> 01:35:23,760
and now

2467
01:35:28,550 --> 01:35:25,199
and then the second part of what i did

2468
01:35:30,310 --> 01:35:28,560
is uh set aside vial b or i'm sorry

2469
01:35:31,189 --> 01:35:30,320
sample a

2470
01:35:32,950 --> 01:35:31,199
okay

2471
01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:32,960
so at some point we're going to spend

2472
01:35:35,669 --> 01:35:34,880
five minutes maybe the next commercial

2473
01:35:37,669 --> 01:35:35,679
break

2474
01:35:39,910 --> 01:35:37,679
and all of us listening are going to

2475
01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:39,920
send our intentions

2476
01:35:44,709 --> 01:35:42,960
back to yesterday which by the way is

2477
01:35:45,750 --> 01:35:44,719
uh monday

2478
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:45,760
april

2479
01:35:49,669 --> 01:35:46,800
8th

2480
01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:49,679
yep at 8 10 pm

2481
01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:52,239
gotcha just just imagine

2482
01:35:58,709 --> 01:35:54,960
trying intending to make

2483
01:36:01,430 --> 01:35:58,719
that water sample more coherent

2484
01:36:03,189 --> 01:36:01,440
i got you okay and uh

2485
01:36:05,430 --> 01:36:03,199
actually let's start this right now now

2486
01:36:07,430 --> 01:36:05,440
do we want it more conductive so we're

2487
01:36:09,510 --> 01:36:07,440
going to take the 25k and bring that

2488
01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:09,520
number down that's right

2489
01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:10,400
okay

2490
01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:12,880
so that's what i want everybody to do

2491
01:36:19,990 --> 01:36:17,280
right now it's 8 51 p.m it's 8 51 48 49

2492
01:36:22,229 --> 01:36:20,000
it's going to be 8 52 in 10 seconds

2493
01:36:23,669 --> 01:36:22,239
and uh so i want everybody to

2494
01:36:25,669 --> 01:36:23,679
concentrate

2495
01:36:28,629 --> 01:36:25,679
on vile a

2496
01:36:31,990 --> 01:36:28,639
in your mind vial a

2497
01:36:34,470 --> 01:36:32,000
that was set aside at 8 10 pm yesterday

2498
01:36:37,110 --> 01:36:34,480
at 4 8 19

2499
01:36:38,550 --> 01:36:37,120
that's all we have to do is think about

2500
01:36:39,910 --> 01:36:38,560
that vial

2501
01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:39,920
and

2502
01:36:42,950 --> 01:36:42,000
i'm gonna ask you to take it a step

2503
01:36:47,350 --> 01:36:42,960
further

2504
01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:47,360
and take 25 the number 25k in your mind

2505
01:36:51,109 --> 01:36:48,960
and focus on

2506
01:36:52,629 --> 01:36:51,119
let's go to extremes

2507
01:36:55,510 --> 01:36:52,639
10k

2508
01:36:57,030 --> 01:36:55,520
will cut the impedance in half

2509
01:37:00,070 --> 01:36:57,040
right adam

2510
01:37:02,070 --> 01:37:00,080
let's do it okay so it does everybody

2511
01:37:02,950 --> 01:37:02,080
got that right now i want you to focus

2512
01:37:04,390 --> 01:37:02,960
on

2513
01:37:06,950 --> 01:37:04,400
vial a

2514
01:37:08,790 --> 01:37:06,960
that was set aside at 8 10 p.m yesterday

2515
01:37:10,790 --> 01:37:08,800
at 4 8 19

2516
01:37:14,070 --> 01:37:10,800
and we're going to change that vial its

2517
01:37:17,430 --> 01:37:14,080
current impedance is 25k

2518
01:37:19,189 --> 01:37:17,440
i want you to concentrate on 10k

2519
01:37:21,910 --> 01:37:19,199
for vial a

2520
01:37:24,709 --> 01:37:21,920
and just throw that down all the way

2521
01:37:27,270 --> 01:37:24,719
through the break and when we come back

2522
01:37:29,430 --> 01:37:27,280
adam is going to measure those now um

2523
01:37:30,709 --> 01:37:29,440
also adam send me the charts during the

2524
01:37:32,950 --> 01:37:30,719
break

2525
01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:32,960
from yesterday and i'll get those posted

2526
01:37:37,350 --> 01:37:34,639
up in twitter

2527
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:37,360
um this is exciting okay so

2528
01:37:39,910 --> 01:37:38,560
now

2529
01:37:42,629 --> 01:37:39,920
uh

2530
01:37:45,030 --> 01:37:42,639
this changes right from 25k i don't care

2531
01:37:46,950 --> 01:37:45,040
if it goes to 24k that's significant but

2532
01:37:48,709 --> 01:37:46,960
if this thing drops right

2533
01:37:51,430 --> 01:37:48,719
to 10k

2534
01:37:55,109 --> 01:37:51,440
what does that suggest what does that

2535
01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:55,119
suggest to the skeptics out there

2536
01:37:59,669 --> 01:37:58,080
well i it to hardcore skeptics i mean it

2537
01:38:01,109 --> 01:37:59,679
doesn't suggest much because it has to

2538
01:38:03,750 --> 01:38:01,119
be replicable and you know there's

2539
01:38:06,149 --> 01:38:03,760
always this potential that i didn't do

2540
01:38:07,750 --> 01:38:06,159
the experiments if you ignore all that

2541
01:38:11,669 --> 01:38:07,760
basically what you're seeing is an

2542
01:38:13,189 --> 01:38:11,679
anomalous retro causal effect meaning

2543
01:38:15,109 --> 01:38:13,199
for some reason

2544
01:38:17,910 --> 01:38:15,119
the control vial would have stayed the

2545
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:17,920
same was the subject file or the test

2546
01:38:21,030 --> 01:38:18,960
file

2547
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:21,040
would have

2548
01:38:26,229 --> 01:38:23,440
a different impedance measurement that

2549
01:38:27,189 --> 01:38:26,239
cannot be accounted for

2550
01:38:29,510 --> 01:38:27,199
and

2551
01:38:31,990 --> 01:38:29,520
so you know we can talk more about what

2552
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:32,000
this actually means after the experiment

2553
01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:33,760
is done because i don't want to talk

2554
01:38:37,750 --> 01:38:34,880
about the

2555
01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:37,760
uh the results yet until after it sure

2556
01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:40,000
happens so we can't affect the timeline

2557
01:38:44,229 --> 01:38:43,119
right no we can't no we can

2558
01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:44,239
we can't affect the timeline but we

2559
01:38:49,430 --> 01:38:47,280
don't want to confound the timeline

2560
01:38:52,070 --> 01:38:49,440
so the number everybody that i want you

2561
01:38:52,950 --> 01:38:52,080
to focus on is it's a simple one

2562
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:52,960
10

2563
01:38:57,750 --> 01:38:54,000
k

2564
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:57,760
vial a that was set aside yesterday at 8

2565
01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:00,960
10 p.m at 4 8 19 i want you to think

2566
01:39:05,990 --> 01:39:02,960
about adam curry i want you to think

2567
01:39:07,350 --> 01:39:06,000
about adam's lab plug all of this into

2568
01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:07,360
your mind

2569
01:39:10,149 --> 01:39:08,880
and 10

2570
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:10,159
k

2571
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:12,239
all right that's what we're going to do

2572
01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:13,920
this is uh this is going to be pretty

2573
01:39:17,910 --> 01:39:16,000
fun this is going to be pretty fun

2574
01:39:21,189 --> 01:39:17,920
let's let's do this and this is also

2575
01:39:23,910 --> 01:39:21,199
live radio and and somebody uh who

2576
01:39:30,149 --> 01:39:23,920
doesn't have a real name on uh twitter

2577
01:39:34,390 --> 01:39:33,189
now maybe maybe maybe she's uh or he it

2578
01:39:37,990 --> 01:39:34,400
says rn

2579
01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:38,000
uh uh maybe maybe i'm lying what i i

2580
01:39:43,350 --> 01:39:39,600
don't know 10k

2581
01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:43,360
that's the number 10k i want everybody

2582
01:39:46,390 --> 01:39:45,520
to concentrate on it i want this to

2583
01:39:49,430 --> 01:39:46,400
happen

2584
01:39:51,189 --> 01:39:49,440
i really do and and adam before before

2585
01:39:52,629 --> 01:39:51,199
we head to the break we've got about a

2586
01:39:55,350 --> 01:39:52,639
minute and a half

2587
01:39:58,310 --> 01:39:55,360
what about the situations that seem to

2588
01:40:01,109 --> 01:39:58,320
happen and maybe it's happened to you

2589
01:40:02,149 --> 01:40:01,119
you know time slips

2590
01:40:04,790 --> 01:40:02,159
where

2591
01:40:07,350 --> 01:40:04,800
somebody sees something

2592
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:07,360
on the side of the road it's a house

2593
01:40:11,669 --> 01:40:09,360
or they see a school

2594
01:40:14,149 --> 01:40:11,679
you know they've grown up in this town

2595
01:40:16,310 --> 01:40:14,159
and things suddenly seem a little sepia

2596
01:40:18,550 --> 01:40:16,320
tone and black and white

2597
01:40:19,830 --> 01:40:18,560
and they drive back down the street the

2598
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:19,840
next day

2599
01:40:25,430 --> 01:40:23,440
and the school is gone right and and the

2600
01:40:28,149 --> 01:40:25,440
memory comes back to the way it should

2601
01:40:29,910 --> 01:40:28,159
be right the reality where they've you

2602
01:40:31,990 --> 01:40:29,920
know they've driven through something

2603
01:40:35,830 --> 01:40:32,000
where temporarily things have shifted

2604
01:40:37,350 --> 01:40:35,840
for them this is uh this is a you know

2605
01:40:39,510 --> 01:40:37,360
this isn't

2606
01:40:40,629 --> 01:40:39,520
you know suggestive memories this is

2607
01:40:41,430 --> 01:40:40,639
something that

2608
01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:41,440
uh

2609
01:40:44,629 --> 01:40:43,280
that that seems to happen and it's

2610
01:40:47,030 --> 01:40:44,639
happened to me

2611
01:40:48,390 --> 01:40:47,040
how do we explain that

2612
01:40:50,470 --> 01:40:48,400
wow

2613
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:50,480
well uh you know different people would

2614
01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:52,400
have different explanations it could be

2615
01:40:54,709 --> 01:40:53,440
that

2616
01:40:56,550 --> 01:40:54,719
if we live in something like a

2617
01:40:57,750 --> 01:40:56,560
holographic universe

2618
01:40:59,990 --> 01:40:57,760
that

2619
01:41:01,510 --> 01:41:00,000
if you're flexible with time which you

2620
01:41:02,629 --> 01:41:01,520
might be able to be

2621
01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:02,639
then

2622
01:41:07,910 --> 01:41:05,520
that same physical space could be coming

2623
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:07,920
through or decoded in your consciousness

2624
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:08,960
but from

2625
01:41:17,350 --> 01:41:12,320
you know 50 60 70 years ago

2626
01:41:20,229 --> 01:41:17,360
well okay uh for instance um and before

2627
01:41:22,229 --> 01:41:20,239
we go to a simple explanation things can

2628
01:41:25,109 --> 01:41:22,239
get a little bit complicated

2629
01:41:26,390 --> 01:41:25,119
uh years ago um i had somebody on the

2630
01:41:28,629 --> 01:41:26,400
show that said that they were on

2631
01:41:31,910 --> 01:41:28,639
vacation with the family they were out

2632
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:31,920
in the desert uh i believe in new mexico

2633
01:41:35,750 --> 01:41:33,760
on their way to the grand canyon they're

2634
01:41:38,229 --> 01:41:35,760
at a river

2635
01:41:40,550 --> 01:41:38,239
she looks across the river and sees a

2636
01:41:43,590 --> 01:41:40,560
reenactment going on she's reading this

2637
01:41:45,830 --> 01:41:43,600
sign you know in 1870 there was this

2638
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:45,840
going on across the river and she sees

2639
01:41:51,750 --> 01:41:48,960
covered wagons smoke people dressed

2640
01:41:53,430 --> 01:41:51,760
costumes the whole thing cooking

2641
01:41:54,870 --> 01:41:53,440
and she goes back to grab her family you

2642
01:41:57,910 --> 01:41:54,880
got to see what's going on over here

2643
01:42:01,189 --> 01:41:57,920
it's really cool brings everybody back

2644
01:42:02,390 --> 01:42:01,199
they're gone

2645
01:42:05,030 --> 01:42:02,400
right

2646
01:42:10,310 --> 01:42:07,030
that isn't some something that was

2647
01:42:12,390 --> 01:42:10,320
suggested it was something that was seen

2648
01:42:14,790 --> 01:42:12,400
you know i i don't know is it is it

2649
01:42:15,590 --> 01:42:14,800
something that was recorded in the ether

2650
01:42:17,350 --> 01:42:15,600
right

2651
01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:17,360
something that was time stamped from the

2652
01:42:21,669 --> 01:42:19,440
past and just for an instant it was

2653
01:42:23,590 --> 01:42:21,679
visible

2654
01:42:26,470 --> 01:42:23,600
yeah it could be

2655
01:42:28,709 --> 01:42:26,480
you know i think that um

2656
01:42:29,910 --> 01:42:28,719
anomalies or the unexplained or the

2657
01:42:31,990 --> 01:42:29,920
unusual

2658
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:32,000
they typically

2659
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:34,480
even though i think that they are real

2660
01:42:38,790 --> 01:42:36,239
they also have an element that allows

2661
01:42:41,430 --> 01:42:38,800
them to be brushed aside

2662
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:41,440
by other people right and i think that's

2663
01:42:46,149 --> 01:42:43,679
really important because it allows that

2664
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:46,159
anomaly to exist for that person

2665
01:42:50,470 --> 01:42:48,880
but still also to exist for society for

2666
01:42:53,189 --> 01:42:50,480
other people who would not permit that

2667
01:42:54,870 --> 01:42:53,199
anomaly to exist because it gives them

2668
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:54,880
an out right meaning their own

2669
01:42:58,310 --> 01:42:56,400
consciousness is not suppressing the

2670
01:43:00,550 --> 01:42:58,320
anomaly it's permitting it to exist

2671
01:43:02,310 --> 01:43:00,560
because of a variety of reasons and your

2672
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:02,320
own experience is allowed to exist

2673
01:43:06,790 --> 01:43:04,239
because a variety of reasons and they're

2674
01:43:08,470 --> 01:43:06,800
not conflicting realities

2675
01:43:12,229 --> 01:43:08,480
let's take a break right here i want

2676
01:43:13,750 --> 01:43:12,239
everybody to concentrate on vile a

2677
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:13,760
adam curry

2678
01:43:19,430 --> 01:43:15,679
4 8 19

2679
01:43:21,510 --> 01:43:19,440
and i want you to think about 10k

2680
01:43:23,669 --> 01:43:21,520
we've got a four minute break right here

2681
01:43:25,350 --> 01:43:23,679
when we come back let's see what's going

2682
01:43:32,229 --> 01:43:25,360
to go down this is fade to black i'm

2683
01:43:38,950 --> 01:43:33,590
hi everybody this is rob halpert the

2684
01:43:42,229 --> 01:43:40,550
all right welcome back fade to black how

2685
01:43:43,830 --> 01:43:42,239
many hoofs jimmy church

2686
01:43:46,229 --> 01:43:43,840
okay

2687
01:43:48,709 --> 01:43:46,239
our guest tonight is adam curry

2688
01:43:50,830 --> 01:43:48,719
we've got this experiment that we're

2689
01:43:54,470 --> 01:43:50,840
doing with everybody i want you to

2690
01:43:58,390 --> 01:43:54,480
concentrate all right on vial a from 4

2691
01:44:01,030 --> 01:43:58,400
18 4 8 19 yesterday vial a i wanted

2692
01:44:04,390 --> 01:44:01,040
everybody to concentrate on 10k

2693
01:44:06,149 --> 01:44:04,400
uh i've just posted up in twitter

2694
01:44:08,709 --> 01:44:06,159
everything that you need to see that

2695
01:44:10,550 --> 01:44:08,719
adam just sent me which is the baseline

2696
01:44:12,550 --> 01:44:10,560
measurement you can see it starts off at

2697
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:12,560
a 25k right there

2698
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:15,840
and there's that and then the

2699
01:44:22,149 --> 01:44:18,239
sample a measurement you can see that

2700
01:44:25,030 --> 01:44:22,159
there is sample a and that chart is up

2701
01:44:28,550 --> 01:44:25,040
and then of course uh the the coolest

2702
01:44:31,430 --> 01:44:28,560
part there is the setup for the

2703
01:44:33,510 --> 01:44:31,440
experiment over the two vials and the

2704
01:44:34,870 --> 01:44:33,520
water right there so thank you for doing

2705
01:44:36,629 --> 01:44:34,880
all of that adam

2706
01:44:39,430 --> 01:44:36,639
and uh

2707
01:44:42,310 --> 01:44:39,440
okay we went through

2708
01:44:44,950 --> 01:44:42,320
five minutes of uh commercials and

2709
01:44:47,189 --> 01:44:44,960
hopefully uh we had everybody

2710
01:44:48,870 --> 01:44:47,199
concentrating i know that they were

2711
01:44:51,910 --> 01:44:48,880
did you are you

2712
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:51,920
measuring now or did you already measure

2713
01:44:56,229 --> 01:44:54,080
already measured okay all right so the

2714
01:44:57,430 --> 01:44:56,239
measurement was made

2715
01:45:01,830 --> 01:44:57,440
yesterday

2716
01:45:03,830 --> 01:45:01,840
was expecting everyone would send their

2717
01:45:07,109 --> 01:45:03,840
intentions back in time to affect the

2718
01:45:09,350 --> 01:45:07,119
device and then i measured the with the

2719
01:45:11,830 --> 01:45:09,360
eis the impedance

2720
01:45:14,390 --> 01:45:11,840
and so the baseline which is that first

2721
01:45:18,390 --> 01:45:17,430
you see uh at 1 000 hertz electricity

2722
01:45:19,109 --> 01:45:18,400
it's about

2723
01:45:22,790 --> 01:45:19,119
uh

2724
01:45:25,910 --> 01:45:22,800
impedance of about 25 000.

2725
01:45:27,990 --> 01:45:25,920
the sample after being affected by the

2726
01:45:30,950 --> 01:45:28,000
intention or whatever it was

2727
01:45:32,470 --> 01:45:30,960
at 10 000 hertz is 2 000 meaning we saw

2728
01:45:36,629 --> 01:45:32,480
greater than a

2729
01:45:38,149 --> 01:45:36,639
10x not 10k but 10x reduction

2730
01:45:40,629 --> 01:45:38,159
in

2731
01:45:42,790 --> 01:45:40,639
impedance

2732
01:45:44,870 --> 01:45:42,800
which is is huge

2733
01:45:48,149 --> 01:45:44,880
uh it's it's a very very interesting and

2734
01:45:52,310 --> 01:45:50,629
so it would seem as though there was

2735
01:45:54,390 --> 01:45:52,320
some it would suggest some sort of

2736
01:45:55,270 --> 01:45:54,400
anomalous influence

2737
01:46:02,950 --> 01:45:55,280
uh

2738
01:46:05,750 --> 01:46:02,960
how i mean okay so

2739
01:46:08,790 --> 01:46:05,760
you know i get it i get it but

2740
01:46:12,310 --> 01:46:10,629
that's a good question

2741
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:12,320
i think if we understood how

2742
01:46:15,270 --> 01:46:13,760
consciousness interacts with the

2743
01:46:17,430 --> 01:46:15,280
physical world

2744
01:46:19,350 --> 01:46:17,440
uh we could come up with a mechanism we

2745
01:46:21,189 --> 01:46:19,360
don't really have a mechanism

2746
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:21,199
the best way to explain this would be we

2747
01:46:25,109 --> 01:46:23,440
know that consciousness can affect the

2748
01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:25,119
behavior of

2749
01:46:29,830 --> 01:46:27,440
probabilistic physical systems

2750
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:29,840
like random number generators in this

2751
01:46:34,550 --> 01:46:32,400
case the probabilistic physical system

2752
01:46:36,470 --> 01:46:34,560
is a vial of water

2753
01:46:37,590 --> 01:46:36,480
and the molecules are moving around

2754
01:46:40,070 --> 01:46:37,600
randomly

2755
01:46:42,550 --> 01:46:40,080
and the intention of all of the people

2756
01:46:44,790 --> 01:46:42,560
was to make the water more coherent

2757
01:46:48,629 --> 01:46:44,800
and because it's more coherent it makes

2758
01:46:48,639 --> 01:46:52,830
through a proton

2759
01:46:57,669 --> 01:46:55,189
um what is that called

2760
01:46:59,270 --> 01:46:57,679
um anyway i'll send a an explanation of

2761
01:47:00,950 --> 01:46:59,280
this um

2762
01:47:03,030 --> 01:47:00,960
this out but anyway it results in an

2763
01:47:04,629 --> 01:47:03,040
electrochemical change measured in the

2764
01:47:05,990 --> 01:47:04,639
reduction of impedance the increased

2765
01:47:06,870 --> 01:47:06,000
conductivity which is what you're seeing

2766
01:47:08,550 --> 01:47:06,880
here

2767
01:47:10,709 --> 01:47:08,560
now how that works with consciousness

2768
01:47:13,430 --> 01:47:10,719
affecting physical reality systems in

2769
01:47:15,669 --> 01:47:13,440
the past we don't really know other than

2770
01:47:17,510 --> 01:47:15,679
it could be that time is kind of

2771
01:47:18,950 --> 01:47:17,520
illusory meaning you might have

2772
01:47:20,310 --> 01:47:18,960
influences

2773
01:47:23,669 --> 01:47:20,320
from the point of view of the present

2774
01:47:25,990 --> 01:47:23,679
yesterday from the future or from our

2775
01:47:27,669 --> 01:47:26,000
present going back into the past

2776
01:47:29,510 --> 01:47:27,679
now the reason why i do this experiment

2777
01:47:31,350 --> 01:47:29,520
in the first place is to get people

2778
01:47:33,669 --> 01:47:31,360
thinking that this

2779
01:47:36,629 --> 01:47:33,679
parallel worlds explanation

2780
01:47:38,550 --> 01:47:36,639
might actually not be necessary and in

2781
01:47:40,709 --> 01:47:38,560
fact you could have a much more

2782
01:47:42,310 --> 01:47:40,719
simple kind of explanation for how

2783
01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:42,320
something like the mandela effect could

2784
01:47:45,990 --> 01:47:43,360
exist

2785
01:47:48,310 --> 01:47:46,000
by thinking of the past in probabilistic

2786
01:47:49,830 --> 01:47:48,320
terms meaning all you need in reality is

2787
01:47:50,870 --> 01:47:49,840
consistent histories and probable

2788
01:47:53,030 --> 01:47:50,880
futures

2789
01:47:55,030 --> 01:47:53,040
consistent histories are perhaps

2790
01:47:56,310 --> 01:47:55,040
fungible even by consciousness so long

2791
01:47:58,470 --> 01:47:56,320
as it's consistent to explain the

2792
01:48:01,350 --> 01:47:58,480
present moment isn't that more profound

2793
01:48:03,669 --> 01:48:01,360
than and then parallel worlds or

2794
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:03,679
or the multiverse

2795
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:05,520
i think it's more profound i also think

2796
01:48:11,750 --> 01:48:09,360
it is a better explanatory framework for

2797
01:48:14,550 --> 01:48:11,760
a number of anomalies that we see not

2798
01:48:16,310 --> 01:48:14,560
anomalies altering history

2799
01:48:18,550 --> 01:48:16,320
yeah

2800
01:48:21,350 --> 01:48:18,560
i'll give you i'll give you an a story

2801
01:48:23,270 --> 01:48:21,360
that got me thinking along these lines

2802
01:48:24,790 --> 01:48:23,280
and this goes back about 10 years when i

2803
01:48:26,310 --> 01:48:24,800
was in college

2804
01:48:27,350 --> 01:48:26,320
i was taking a lot of creative writing

2805
01:48:30,070 --> 01:48:27,360
classes

2806
01:48:32,470 --> 01:48:30,080
and one day

2807
01:48:35,109 --> 01:48:32,480
after after a physics class i think i

2808
01:48:38,149 --> 01:48:35,119
was feeling really creative and i walked

2809
01:48:40,550 --> 01:48:38,159
into the library and i wrote a short

2810
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:40,560
story just kind of randomly decided to

2811
01:48:44,470 --> 01:48:41,760
go to the

2812
01:48:46,550 --> 01:48:44,480
library and write a short story

2813
01:48:47,830 --> 01:48:46,560
printed it out kept it in my notebook

2814
01:48:49,669 --> 01:48:47,840
forgot about it

2815
01:48:52,070 --> 01:48:49,679
the next week i was in a creative

2816
01:48:53,270 --> 01:48:52,080
writing class and we were workshopping

2817
01:48:55,350 --> 01:48:53,280
our stories

2818
01:48:57,109 --> 01:48:55,360
and i realized that i had forgot the

2819
01:48:59,109 --> 01:48:57,119
assignment

2820
01:49:01,510 --> 01:48:59,119
i didn't i didn't write a story but then

2821
01:49:03,669 --> 01:49:01,520
i remembered that a week ago

2822
01:49:05,990 --> 01:49:03,679
for some reason i decided to write this

2823
01:49:08,229 --> 01:49:06,000
story so then i sent it i tried to

2824
01:49:09,270 --> 01:49:08,239
mentally send a message to myself in the

2825
01:49:10,229 --> 01:49:09,280
past

2826
01:49:19,830 --> 01:49:10,239
to

2827
01:49:21,910 --> 01:49:19,840
see where i'm going yes um it's it makes

2828
01:49:24,070 --> 01:49:21,920
you think right um

2829
01:49:26,149 --> 01:49:24,080
did i have some sort of retro causal

2830
01:49:28,950 --> 01:49:26,159
effect on myself

2831
01:49:30,470 --> 01:49:28,960
to create that uh that story so that i

2832
01:49:32,390 --> 01:49:30,480
would have it in the future

2833
01:49:34,470 --> 01:49:32,400
um or was it just coincidence and i mean

2834
01:49:36,390 --> 01:49:34,480
i think that's really the question but

2835
01:49:38,950 --> 01:49:36,400
looking at it from the point of view of

2836
01:49:40,550 --> 01:49:38,960
of causal symmetry and time symmetry i

2837
01:49:42,310 --> 01:49:40,560
think we have maybe a much better

2838
01:49:44,629 --> 01:49:42,320
explanatory more simple explanatory

2839
01:49:46,229 --> 01:49:44,639
framework than gazillions of universes

2840
01:49:48,229 --> 01:49:46,239
splitting off

2841
01:49:51,270 --> 01:49:48,239
well okay let's

2842
01:49:52,790 --> 01:49:51,280
let's examine this for a second and like

2843
01:49:55,830 --> 01:49:52,800
going back

2844
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:55,840
to the movie

2845
01:49:57,910 --> 01:49:56,639
right

2846
01:49:59,189 --> 01:49:57,920
that

2847
01:50:04,390 --> 01:49:59,199
it didn't

2848
01:50:08,070 --> 01:50:04,400
but the power of suggestion and

2849
01:50:12,550 --> 01:50:08,080
everybody getting on this thought

2850
01:50:16,550 --> 01:50:12,560
started to manifest the past and created

2851
01:50:19,350 --> 01:50:16,560
shazam in the past when it didn't exist

2852
01:50:21,669 --> 01:50:19,360
that's what you're suggesting right

2853
01:50:24,390 --> 01:50:21,679
well it either affected

2854
01:50:25,830 --> 01:50:24,400
the movie existing or not existing or

2855
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:25,840
and this is a wholly different way of

2856
01:50:31,109 --> 01:50:28,560
looking at the mandela effect we could

2857
01:50:32,950 --> 01:50:31,119
have influenced our own memories

2858
01:50:35,510 --> 01:50:32,960
to misremember something

2859
01:50:38,550 --> 01:50:35,520
in order to create the meaningful

2860
01:50:39,830 --> 01:50:38,560
phenomena of mandela effect so you would

2861
01:50:41,990 --> 01:50:39,840
never really know

2862
01:50:43,750 --> 01:50:42,000
and this meaningfulness is really

2863
01:50:46,229 --> 01:50:43,760
important to understand when when it

2864
01:50:47,830 --> 01:50:46,239
comes to mind matter effects or

2865
01:50:50,550 --> 01:50:47,840
anomalies in general and that's the

2866
01:50:51,750 --> 01:50:50,560
unusual things seem to happen around

2867
01:50:53,430 --> 01:50:51,760
meaningfulness

2868
01:50:55,910 --> 01:50:53,440
so for me with that story it was

2869
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:55,920
meaningful for me to have a

2870
01:51:00,709 --> 01:50:58,560
to not miss the assignment right

2871
01:51:02,790 --> 01:51:00,719
for many of us it's perhaps meaningful

2872
01:51:04,229 --> 01:51:02,800
to have some actual scientific

2873
01:51:05,910 --> 01:51:04,239
verification

2874
01:51:08,629 --> 01:51:05,920
you may or may not believe it into

2875
01:51:10,629 --> 01:51:08,639
something like affecting the past

2876
01:51:12,390 --> 01:51:10,639
and from that point of view if you

2877
01:51:14,550 --> 01:51:12,400
expand it further

2878
01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:14,560
you have to look at the the purpose of

2879
01:51:18,149 --> 01:51:16,320
something like the mandela effect in

2880
01:51:20,470 --> 01:51:18,159
society

2881
01:51:21,990 --> 01:51:20,480
is it that we are actually running in

2882
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:22,000
different timelines or affecting the

2883
01:51:26,310 --> 01:51:24,000
past for reasons we can't explain or is

2884
01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:26,320
the mandela effect something that we're

2885
01:51:29,990 --> 01:51:28,320
creating in order to create

2886
01:51:32,149 --> 01:51:30,000
meaningfulness

2887
01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:32,159
around questions of our very existence

2888
01:51:36,629 --> 01:51:34,560
around what is time who are we is the

2889
01:51:38,149 --> 01:51:36,639
past fungible can we look at the world

2890
01:51:40,310 --> 01:51:38,159
in a different way

2891
01:51:42,629 --> 01:51:40,320
and that's kind of the meaningfulness or

2892
01:51:44,709 --> 01:51:42,639
some philosophers call it teleology the

2893
01:51:46,229 --> 01:51:44,719
technological pull that could be

2894
01:51:48,310 --> 01:51:46,239
creating something like the mandela

2895
01:51:51,589 --> 01:51:48,320
effect and it's showing up in these

2896
01:51:54,470 --> 01:51:51,599
different in these different ways

2897
01:51:56,709 --> 01:51:54,480
uh this is uh this was just sent in two

2898
01:51:58,950 --> 01:51:56,719
minutes ago i want to read this to you

2899
01:52:00,629 --> 01:51:58,960
this is from our warren harris on

2900
01:52:04,470 --> 01:52:00,639
twitter says i will never forget

2901
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:04,480
arriving at work one hour before i left

2902
01:52:08,550 --> 01:52:05,679
for work

2903
01:52:11,030 --> 01:52:08,560
i had a subway transfer from the future

2904
01:52:13,189 --> 01:52:11,040
and i had tried calling myself at home

2905
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:13,199
because my other self would have still

2906
01:52:19,589 --> 01:52:15,840
been there i didn't connect with myself

2907
01:52:22,070 --> 01:52:19,599
but for a moment there were two of me

2908
01:52:27,189 --> 01:52:25,030
that's wild yeah that's real wild

2909
01:52:29,910 --> 01:52:27,199
that's real wild that's real that's a

2910
01:52:32,470 --> 01:52:29,920
good one that's a real good one i you

2911
01:52:35,270 --> 01:52:32,480
know with uh all of my sensational

2912
01:52:37,750 --> 01:52:35,280
memories and thoughts and experiences

2913
01:52:40,950 --> 01:52:37,760
that i've shared on the air and i'm

2914
01:52:42,790 --> 01:52:40,960
asking people to just at least listen to

2915
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:42,800
what i have to say

2916
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:45,040
right and i read something like that i i

2917
01:52:48,790 --> 01:52:46,880
just have to go okay all right okay

2918
01:52:50,709 --> 01:52:48,800
could could have happened i'm never

2919
01:52:53,750 --> 01:52:50,719
going to dismiss anything because i've

2920
01:52:55,350 --> 01:52:53,760
i've i've gone way further than this

2921
01:52:57,830 --> 01:52:55,360
like my my

2922
01:53:00,149 --> 01:52:57,840
hindenburg thing over the apartment i'm

2923
01:53:01,270 --> 01:53:00,159
really ex asking people

2924
01:53:06,950 --> 01:53:01,280
to

2925
01:53:08,550 --> 01:53:06,960
but my experience was my experience and

2926
01:53:10,709 --> 01:53:08,560
then doing the research and finding out

2927
01:53:12,870 --> 01:53:10,719
that there was nothing in the air

2928
01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:12,880
or you know at that point you know what

2929
01:53:19,750 --> 01:53:16,639
45 years or whatever that was 35 years

2930
01:53:21,510 --> 01:53:19,760
that there had been nothing

2931
01:53:23,990 --> 01:53:21,520
then that puts me in a weird position

2932
01:53:26,149 --> 01:53:24,000
and i i don't care adam

2933
01:53:28,870 --> 01:53:26,159
uh what people think i'd rather share

2934
01:53:30,149 --> 01:53:28,880
the experience so other people can

2935
01:53:31,990 --> 01:53:30,159
uh

2936
01:53:34,149 --> 01:53:32,000
you know possibly search their memories

2937
01:53:35,910 --> 01:53:34,159
for something similar and we can share

2938
01:53:37,910 --> 01:53:35,920
those experiences

2939
01:53:40,709 --> 01:53:37,920
and when um

2940
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:40,719
when i do that or like with you right

2941
01:53:42,950 --> 01:53:42,000
here on the air

2942
01:53:47,189 --> 01:53:42,960
where

2943
01:53:48,870 --> 01:53:47,199
wouldn't you want to collect that data

2944
01:53:50,709 --> 01:53:48,880
you know what i mean get everybody

2945
01:53:53,189 --> 01:53:50,719
together and go was there something

2946
01:53:56,149 --> 01:53:53,199
strange in your life that you remember

2947
01:53:57,990 --> 01:53:56,159
that wasn't correct

2948
01:54:00,229 --> 01:53:58,000
right can you send me that information

2949
01:54:02,950 --> 01:54:00,239
whatever it is where you were you know

2950
01:54:05,589 --> 01:54:02,960
it's just something that didn't fit

2951
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:05,599
and and just go back and you probably

2952
01:54:09,270 --> 01:54:07,199
just thought it was just a memory and it

2953
01:54:10,870 --> 01:54:09,280
was just no big deal

2954
01:54:14,950 --> 01:54:10,880
but let's collect this information

2955
01:54:17,350 --> 01:54:14,960
together a lot like the mandela effect

2956
01:54:19,990 --> 01:54:17,360
that's right

2957
01:54:23,750 --> 01:54:20,000
i am very interested in how

2958
01:54:24,709 --> 01:54:23,760
unusual things become usual things

2959
01:54:26,870 --> 01:54:24,719
and

2960
01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:26,880
you can think of it entirely differently

2961
01:54:31,350 --> 01:54:29,840
through the experiment that we just did

2962
01:54:35,750 --> 01:54:31,360
and through many of the comments made

2963
01:54:38,149 --> 01:54:35,760
today for example looking at ufos

2964
01:54:40,550 --> 01:54:38,159
it's pretty wild for somebody to see

2965
01:54:41,910 --> 01:54:40,560
uh unexplained lights or a craft or

2966
01:54:43,510 --> 01:54:41,920
something like that

2967
01:54:45,430 --> 01:54:43,520
from the point of view of consensus

2968
01:54:47,589 --> 01:54:45,440
reality meaning they're like the normies

2969
01:54:50,550 --> 01:54:47,599
right so day-to-day life

2970
01:54:53,109 --> 01:54:50,560
um but so many people see them

2971
01:54:55,910 --> 01:54:53,119
just crazy numbers of people see them

2972
01:54:58,149 --> 01:54:55,920
and i think that that partly has been

2973
01:54:59,750 --> 01:54:58,159
due to the the fact that it's okay for

2974
01:55:02,390 --> 01:54:59,760
people to experience something like

2975
01:55:04,790 --> 01:55:02,400
seeing an unusual craft because the rest

2976
01:55:07,510 --> 01:55:04,800
of consensus reality meaning that all of

2977
01:55:08,950 --> 01:55:07,520
the cumulative consciousnesses

2978
01:55:11,510 --> 01:55:08,960
permit that

2979
01:55:14,070 --> 01:55:11,520
phenomena to exist because

2980
01:55:15,510 --> 01:55:14,080
they have outs meaning they can say

2981
01:55:18,070 --> 01:55:15,520
things like

2982
01:55:20,470 --> 01:55:18,080
oh well you're crazy or oh it was just

2983
01:55:22,870 --> 01:55:20,480
headlights or swamp gas or weather

2984
01:55:25,109 --> 01:55:22,880
balloons or a myriad of other things

2985
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:25,119
that allow them to dismiss and hand wave

2986
01:55:29,669 --> 01:55:27,040
that phenomena but to a growing number

2987
01:55:31,510 --> 01:55:29,679
of people it's very very real

2988
01:55:34,070 --> 01:55:31,520
and i think that it is actually real

2989
01:55:36,070 --> 01:55:34,080
right um and

2990
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:36,080
the the question of view of foes is i

2991
01:55:39,830 --> 01:55:38,400
think one

2992
01:55:41,830 --> 01:55:39,840
i think what we're seeing with ufos is

2993
01:55:43,589 --> 01:55:41,840
it's start it's no it's

2994
01:55:45,910 --> 01:55:43,599
it's moving away from the realm of

2995
01:55:47,990 --> 01:55:45,920
anomaly and into something that is

2996
01:55:48,950 --> 01:55:48,000
really a feature of

2997
01:55:53,270 --> 01:55:48,960
our

2998
01:55:54,709 --> 01:55:53,280
world and that's really going to change

2999
01:55:56,149 --> 01:55:54,719
a lot of stuff and because it's going to

3000
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:56,159
change a lot of stuff you have a lot of

3001
01:56:02,470 --> 01:56:00,400
this pull kind of from a future

3002
01:56:04,310 --> 01:56:02,480
a future probability that's creating the

3003
01:56:07,109 --> 01:56:04,320
consistent history through the present

3004
01:56:08,790 --> 01:56:07,119
to explain how we got there once

3005
01:56:10,550 --> 01:56:08,800
something like disclosure or whatever

3006
01:56:12,629 --> 01:56:10,560
might happen does that make sense

3007
01:56:13,750 --> 01:56:12,639
it does i remember

3008
01:56:14,950 --> 01:56:13,760
um

3009
01:56:17,270 --> 01:56:14,960
you and i

3010
01:56:19,350 --> 01:56:17,280
were sitting together

3011
01:56:21,910 --> 01:56:19,360
in the front row

3012
01:56:24,070 --> 01:56:21,920
somewhere and we were watching videos on

3013
01:56:29,350 --> 01:56:24,080
a big screen and

3014
01:56:31,430 --> 01:56:29,360
and we were commenting where was that at

3015
01:56:33,030 --> 01:56:31,440
i think that that would have been in san

3016
01:56:35,270 --> 01:56:33,040
francisco that was in san francisco

3017
01:56:37,750 --> 01:56:35,280
right right dr greer's right

3018
01:56:39,589 --> 01:56:37,760
right right okay okay so you and i and

3019
01:56:42,229 --> 01:56:39,599
the reason why i bring it up

3020
01:56:45,030 --> 01:56:42,239
is you and i were laughing and giggling

3021
01:56:46,550 --> 01:56:45,040
and commenting like little kids because

3022
01:56:48,070 --> 01:56:46,560
we were seeing stuff that was pretty

3023
01:56:49,830 --> 01:56:48,080
sensational

3024
01:56:53,830 --> 01:56:49,840
and and i only bring it up because your

3025
01:56:56,950 --> 01:56:53,840
interest is as genuine as mine right and

3026
01:56:59,910 --> 01:56:56,960
and uh i can't i i think we stole those

3027
01:57:02,149 --> 01:56:59,920
seats actually

3028
01:57:04,229 --> 01:57:02,159
i think we did right okay so anyway so

3029
01:57:05,830 --> 01:57:04,239
we're sitting and and the screen is like

3030
01:57:07,589 --> 01:57:05,840
two feet in front of us remember that

3031
01:57:08,950 --> 01:57:07,599
was big theater screen

3032
01:57:10,629 --> 01:57:08,960
and we were watching some pretty

3033
01:57:13,189 --> 01:57:10,639
sensational stuff

3034
01:57:15,510 --> 01:57:13,199
and your interest is genuine so i have

3035
01:57:17,910 --> 01:57:15,520
to ask you i didn't ask you then

3036
01:57:19,589 --> 01:57:17,920
have you seen anything like what we were

3037
01:57:21,430 --> 01:57:19,599
watching on the screen that day because

3038
01:57:23,270 --> 01:57:21,440
that stuff was pretty that was stuff was

3039
01:57:24,550 --> 01:57:23,280
pretty amazing it's stuff that grier's

3040
01:57:26,950 --> 01:57:24,560
never shown

3041
01:57:28,229 --> 01:57:26,960
uh before or since we saw some pretty

3042
01:57:30,629 --> 01:57:28,239
incredible stuff

3043
01:57:32,629 --> 01:57:30,639
have you seen anything like that uh

3044
01:57:35,109 --> 01:57:32,639
yourself you know unfortunately i

3045
01:57:37,270 --> 01:57:35,119
haven't i've seen

3046
01:57:39,350 --> 01:57:37,280
i've seen strange lights in the sky

3047
01:57:41,189 --> 01:57:39,360
on a ce5

3048
01:57:43,589 --> 01:57:41,199
with and i've seen

3049
01:57:45,910 --> 01:57:43,599
strange lights in the sky through

3050
01:57:47,990 --> 01:57:45,920
night vision goggles but nothing like

3051
01:57:49,109 --> 01:57:48,000
what dr greer

3052
01:57:51,910 --> 01:57:49,119
showed

3053
01:57:53,510 --> 01:57:51,920
is that is that uh is that a paradigm

3054
01:57:55,830 --> 01:57:53,520
shift for you

3055
01:57:57,109 --> 01:57:55,840
if you you know you know what i mean not

3056
01:57:59,350 --> 01:57:57,119
and i understand the night vision

3057
01:58:01,350 --> 01:57:59,360
goggles i sell them you know i've got

3058
01:58:03,830 --> 01:58:01,360
i've got them and i and i have my own

3059
01:58:06,390 --> 01:58:03,840
model right the jimmy church bottle and

3060
01:58:09,189 --> 01:58:06,400
so i'm fully invested

3061
01:58:11,910 --> 01:58:09,199
uh in in what night vision goggles can

3062
01:58:14,310 --> 01:58:11,920
bring i mean it is just so much fun to

3063
01:58:15,669 --> 01:58:14,320
do but it's something else all together

3064
01:58:17,669 --> 01:58:15,679
when you see something with your

3065
01:58:19,589 --> 01:58:17,679
eyeballs right and it's right there in

3066
01:58:21,750 --> 01:58:19,599
front of you would that be a paradigm

3067
01:58:24,149 --> 01:58:21,760
shift is is that a life-changing event

3068
01:58:26,470 --> 01:58:24,159
or do you even need it

3069
01:58:28,629 --> 01:58:26,480
i'm not your average like uh

3070
01:58:30,470 --> 01:58:28,639
sample human so it wasn't really a

3071
01:58:32,790 --> 01:58:30,480
life-changing event for me but

3072
01:58:35,589 --> 01:58:32,800
i can see how it would be for many

3073
01:58:38,070 --> 01:58:35,599
because if you see that kind of stuff

3074
01:58:39,830 --> 01:58:38,080
you know seeing it with your own eyes

3075
01:58:41,589 --> 01:58:39,840
it's very easy to do away with all the

3076
01:58:42,550 --> 01:58:41,599
counter explanations

3077
01:58:44,229 --> 01:58:42,560
um

3078
01:58:46,310 --> 01:58:44,239
you know that's no plane

3079
01:58:49,350 --> 01:58:46,320
that's no satellite right right right

3080
01:58:51,109 --> 01:58:49,360
right no way yeah yeah i've had uh so

3081
01:58:53,990 --> 01:58:51,119
many uh

3082
01:58:56,149 --> 01:58:54,000
sightings right um and most of them at

3083
01:58:59,109 --> 01:58:56,159
night i've had a couple of daytime but i

3084
01:59:00,830 --> 01:58:59,119
had the i had the holy grail sighting

3085
01:59:04,310 --> 01:59:00,840
the daytime

3086
01:59:05,189 --> 01:59:04,320
crazy insane real

3087
01:59:08,550 --> 01:59:05,199
uh

3088
01:59:11,350 --> 01:59:08,560
ufo and this was with about

3089
01:59:13,750 --> 01:59:11,360
let's say about 20 people were with me

3090
01:59:15,830 --> 01:59:13,760
we're up at east city of all places

3091
01:59:16,950 --> 01:59:15,840
right at t city but it wasn't at night

3092
01:59:18,070 --> 01:59:16,960
it was like three o'clock in the

3093
01:59:20,470 --> 01:59:18,080
afternoon

3094
01:59:22,310 --> 01:59:20,480
and daytime

3095
01:59:25,830 --> 01:59:22,320
and i don't have any other way to

3096
01:59:27,430 --> 01:59:25,840
explain it but like it was like a 400

3097
01:59:28,950 --> 01:59:27,440
foot tall

3098
01:59:30,390 --> 01:59:28,960
black

3099
01:59:31,669 --> 01:59:30,400
beer can

3100
01:59:33,669 --> 01:59:31,679
vertical

3101
01:59:36,550 --> 01:59:33,679
right and i i

3102
01:59:37,430 --> 01:59:36,560
just visualized that right a cylinder

3103
01:59:43,109 --> 01:59:37,440
but

3104
01:59:45,750 --> 01:59:43,119
and it was spinning and it had this

3105
01:59:48,629 --> 01:59:45,760
silver round circle on it

3106
01:59:50,550 --> 01:59:48,639
that was huge so if this thing is 400

3107
01:59:51,430 --> 01:59:50,560
feet tall you know the circle is you

3108
01:59:55,189 --> 01:59:51,440
know

3109
01:59:58,229 --> 01:59:55,199
a 100 or 200 feet diameter and it is

3110
02:00:00,550 --> 01:59:58,239
spinning it's like a logo but it wasn't

3111
02:00:02,149 --> 02:00:00,560
right but anyway imagine that right like

3112
02:00:04,310 --> 02:00:02,159
a black beer can

3113
02:00:06,709 --> 02:00:04,320
spinning pretty fast

3114
02:00:07,750 --> 02:00:06,719
and and moving from left to right across

3115
02:00:11,109 --> 02:00:07,760
the sky

3116
02:00:12,550 --> 02:00:11,119
and it lasted about uh 15 seconds and

3117
02:00:13,750 --> 02:00:12,560
then

3118
02:00:15,830 --> 02:00:13,760
disappeared

3119
02:00:17,589 --> 02:00:15,840
and i didn't get to see it disappear

3120
02:00:20,550 --> 02:00:17,599
everybody else did

3121
02:00:22,709 --> 02:00:20,560
i was going between binoculars and my

3122
02:00:25,350 --> 02:00:22,719
eyeballs right you know getting off of

3123
02:00:27,750 --> 02:00:25,360
the binoculars and looking at it and

3124
02:00:30,790 --> 02:00:27,760
when i went back to the binoculars

3125
02:00:32,790 --> 02:00:30,800
it was gone so i didn't see it disappear

3126
02:00:34,149 --> 02:00:32,800
everybody else saw it but that that back

3127
02:00:35,109 --> 02:00:34,159
to uh

3128
02:00:38,229 --> 02:00:35,119
uh

3129
02:00:40,390 --> 02:00:38,239
that kind of situation where it's not a

3130
02:00:43,430 --> 02:00:40,400
nighttime thing it's not night vision it

3131
02:00:46,390 --> 02:00:43,440
was the holy grail was like that just as

3132
02:00:48,310 --> 02:00:46,400
i described it to you and i i can't i

3133
02:00:49,750 --> 02:00:48,320
can't i can't say what that was i have

3134
02:00:53,030 --> 02:00:49,760
no idea

3135
02:00:55,589 --> 02:00:53,040
you know us them i i don't know

3136
02:00:57,109 --> 02:00:55,599
and that that was changing that was

3137
02:01:00,070 --> 02:00:57,119
life-changing for me that was something

3138
02:01:02,629 --> 02:01:00,080
that i still cannot get out of my mind

3139
02:01:05,510 --> 02:01:02,639
thank goodness we had witnesses that

3140
02:01:07,189 --> 02:01:05,520
were there and i even have a really cool

3141
02:01:08,470 --> 02:01:07,199
video you know what

3142
02:01:12,790 --> 02:01:08,480
check this out

3143
02:01:16,629 --> 02:01:12,800
uh you know what i just got this video

3144
02:01:18,229 --> 02:01:16,639
let me find it i have the video here

3145
02:01:21,830 --> 02:01:18,239
believe it or not

3146
02:01:22,790 --> 02:01:21,840
of the moment that the sighting happened

3147
02:01:26,390 --> 02:01:22,800
okay

3148
02:01:28,149 --> 02:01:26,400
and what's funny about the video as i

3149
02:01:28,950 --> 02:01:28,159
as i pull it up

3150
02:01:31,830 --> 02:01:28,960
is

3151
02:01:33,830 --> 02:01:31,840
you don't see

3152
02:01:35,030 --> 02:01:33,840
the object

3153
02:01:38,709 --> 02:01:35,040
okay

3154
02:01:41,189 --> 02:01:38,719
what you hear is my reaction

3155
02:01:43,669 --> 02:01:41,199
uh telling everybody

3156
02:01:46,149 --> 02:01:43,679
what just happened and to shoot video

3157
02:01:49,189 --> 02:01:46,159
right i'm telling everybody to

3158
02:01:51,270 --> 02:01:49,199
shoot video shoot video shoot video

3159
02:01:53,030 --> 02:01:51,280
and it's uh it's pretty incredible let

3160
02:01:53,910 --> 02:01:53,040
me pull it up here

3161
02:01:55,910 --> 02:01:53,920
here

3162
02:01:58,709 --> 02:01:55,920
is is this it

3163
02:02:02,790 --> 02:02:00,790
stay with me i've got so many things on

3164
02:02:05,350 --> 02:02:02,800
my desktop here

3165
02:02:07,109 --> 02:02:05,360
uh but i am going to

3166
02:02:08,790 --> 02:02:07,119
play this you know what let me do the

3167
02:02:13,350 --> 02:02:08,800
search here

3168
02:02:15,910 --> 02:02:13,360
and um so when i had forgotten about uh

3169
02:02:17,510 --> 02:02:15,920
here it is i had forgotten about what i

3170
02:02:18,870 --> 02:02:17,520
had said

3171
02:02:25,669 --> 02:02:18,880
but here it is i'm going to play it

3172
02:02:31,589 --> 02:02:28,629
tell me somebody took a picture

3173
02:02:33,589 --> 02:02:31,599
i swear to god i will shoot everybody

3174
02:02:39,000 --> 02:02:33,599
here

3175
02:02:42,550 --> 02:02:39,010
give us a position man

3176
02:02:46,550 --> 02:02:45,030
no the ufo wasn't a bird no that was

3177
02:02:47,510 --> 02:02:46,560
shimmering that was that was it was

3178
02:02:50,390 --> 02:02:47,520
glinting

3179
02:02:52,709 --> 02:02:50,400
it was it was a ball it was huge

3180
02:02:54,709 --> 02:02:52,719
okay who shot it

3181
02:02:55,750 --> 02:02:54,719
that was the moment that that thing

3182
02:02:58,149 --> 02:02:55,760
happened

3183
02:03:01,189 --> 02:02:58,159
isn't that crazy that somebody shot a a

3184
02:03:03,510 --> 02:03:01,199
cell phone video that was lucinda

3185
02:03:04,229 --> 02:03:03,520
yeah yeah everybody

3186
02:03:06,629 --> 02:03:04,239
so

3187
02:03:09,510 --> 02:03:06,639
that's what kind of dick i am in public

3188
02:03:11,030 --> 02:03:09,520
i will shoot everybody here

3189
02:03:13,350 --> 02:03:11,040
but yeah

3190
02:03:15,350 --> 02:03:13,360
how crazy is that

3191
02:03:17,510 --> 02:03:15,360
crazy and you can hear the crowd around

3192
02:03:19,189 --> 02:03:17,520
me right and did you hear somebody else

3193
02:03:19,910 --> 02:03:19,199
say it was shimmering

3194
02:03:24,550 --> 02:03:19,920
yeah

3195
02:03:27,510 --> 02:03:24,560
somebody took a picture

3196
02:03:29,430 --> 02:03:27,520
i swear to god i will shoot everybody

3197
02:03:35,270 --> 02:03:29,440
here

3198
02:03:38,470 --> 02:03:35,280
see right then i was back on the

3199
02:03:42,470 --> 02:03:40,870
no the ufo wasn't a bird no that was

3200
02:03:43,430 --> 02:03:42,480
shimmering that was that was it was

3201
02:03:46,229 --> 02:03:43,440
glinting

3202
02:03:48,470 --> 02:03:46,239
it was it was a ball it was huge

3203
02:03:49,910 --> 02:03:48,480
okay who shot it

3204
02:03:51,910 --> 02:03:49,920
so that's it that's that that's the

3205
02:03:54,629 --> 02:03:51,920
video clip right there

3206
02:03:56,430 --> 02:03:54,639
but that's the moment right it really

3207
02:04:00,149 --> 02:03:56,440
happened it was

3208
02:04:02,550 --> 02:04:00,159
ginormous it was ginormous and uh when i

3209
02:04:04,229 --> 02:04:02,560
told everybody and and i walked back to

3210
02:04:06,709 --> 02:04:04,239
the table

3211
02:04:08,149 --> 02:04:06,719
to get back on the binoculars you know

3212
02:04:09,990 --> 02:04:08,159
uh you know everybody going yeah it's

3213
02:04:11,030 --> 02:04:10,000
black it's got a silver thing it's

3214
02:04:13,109 --> 02:04:11,040
spinning

3215
02:04:15,510 --> 02:04:13,119
and then that you know

3216
02:04:17,510 --> 02:04:15,520
that video was after i jumped up after

3217
02:04:20,950 --> 02:04:17,520
it disappeared and i said did somebody

3218
02:04:23,030 --> 02:04:20,960
you know tell me somebody shot it

3219
02:04:26,310 --> 02:04:23,040
and uh yeah pretty incredible pretty

3220
02:04:27,990 --> 02:04:26,320
incredible i actually have a jpeg here

3221
02:04:29,510 --> 02:04:28,000
i should post this i never did this

3222
02:04:32,390 --> 02:04:29,520
before

3223
02:04:34,229 --> 02:04:32,400
yeah i have a jpeg here i'll i'll post

3224
02:04:35,750 --> 02:04:34,239
this up too as well all right let's take

3225
02:04:37,350 --> 02:04:35,760
a break uh you want to take some phone

3226
02:04:39,830 --> 02:04:37,360
calls when we come back

3227
02:04:43,350 --> 02:04:39,840
sure let's do that our guest tonight is

3228
02:04:45,750 --> 02:04:43,360
adam curry the mandela effect let's take

3229
02:04:47,589 --> 02:04:45,760
a quick break right here this is fade to

3230
02:04:51,270 --> 02:04:47,599
black i'm your host jimmy church

3231
02:04:55,189 --> 02:04:53,030
zero 747-228-2200 one seven four seven

3232
02:04:56,550 --> 02:04:55,199
two two eight two zero five one i'll be

3233
02:04:59,680 --> 02:04:56,560
right back with adam and your phone

3234
02:05:27,350 --> 02:04:59,690
calls right after this stay with us

3235
02:05:30,470 --> 02:05:29,030
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

3236
02:05:33,669 --> 02:05:30,480
your host jimmy church our guest tonight

3237
02:05:38,070 --> 02:05:36,070
just did that amazing test experiment

3238
02:05:39,830 --> 02:05:38,080
live on the air that was uh that was a

3239
02:05:40,709 --> 02:05:39,840
lot of fun we got everything posted up

3240
02:05:44,790 --> 02:05:40,719
uh

3241
02:05:49,750 --> 02:05:44,800
in twitter i've opened up the phone

3242
02:05:54,070 --> 02:05:52,709
and i do i would like to hear

3243
02:05:57,510 --> 02:05:54,080
uh

3244
02:06:00,870 --> 02:05:57,520
your mandela effect story um if you've

3245
02:06:04,070 --> 02:06:00,880
got one or experience but also i would

3246
02:06:07,669 --> 02:06:04,080
like uh i would like jason

3247
02:06:10,629 --> 02:06:07,679
to call in about the movie shazam so

3248
02:06:13,830 --> 02:06:10,639
jason uh give us a call

3249
02:06:15,270 --> 02:06:13,840
and uh i'll get you right in the phone

3250
02:06:18,070 --> 02:06:15,280
cue okay

3251
02:06:20,229 --> 02:06:18,080
i do uh i do want to hear about this and

3252
02:06:21,669 --> 02:06:20,239
and you've got to shoot that video with

3253
02:06:22,629 --> 02:06:21,679
that adam you want to take some phone

3254
02:06:25,109 --> 02:06:22,639
calls

3255
02:06:27,270 --> 02:06:25,119
yeah let's do it let's do it let's go

3256
02:06:31,030 --> 02:06:27,280
right now hi you're live on fade to

3257
02:06:36,310 --> 02:06:33,669
you're live

3258
02:06:38,229 --> 02:06:36,320
oh man

3259
02:06:39,589 --> 02:06:38,239
uh don't even tell me there's some

3260
02:06:43,270 --> 02:06:39,599
issues here

3261
02:06:48,629 --> 02:06:45,669
no hello

3262
02:06:50,229 --> 02:06:48,639
hello yes you're live

3263
02:06:52,870 --> 02:06:50,239
i'm sorry i thought you were talking to

3264
02:06:55,189 --> 02:06:52,880
somebody else no

3265
02:06:57,430 --> 02:06:55,199
hey this is mike in albany oregon hey

3266
02:06:59,109 --> 02:06:57,440
mike in albany oregon how are you speak

3267
02:07:01,589 --> 02:06:59,119
up

3268
02:07:04,149 --> 02:07:01,599
okay um i've got those speakerphones so

3269
02:07:06,390 --> 02:07:04,159
uh yeah if i can get it yeah take me off

3270
02:07:07,990 --> 02:07:06,400
speaker that's the issue but remember

3271
02:07:10,470 --> 02:07:08,000
mike

3272
02:07:11,350 --> 02:07:10,480
we're live on the air so

3273
02:07:12,870 --> 02:07:11,360
okay

3274
02:07:15,109 --> 02:07:12,880
so i've got a

3275
02:07:17,430 --> 02:07:15,119
situation happen i'm not really sure if

3276
02:07:19,510 --> 02:07:17,440
it's mandela related or what the heck it

3277
02:07:20,870 --> 02:07:19,520
was but uh

3278
02:07:23,830 --> 02:07:20,880
my girlfriend and i have been going to

3279
02:07:26,149 --> 02:07:23,840
the local farmers market every year

3280
02:07:28,550 --> 02:07:26,159
opening day we're always there right

3281
02:07:32,069 --> 02:07:28,560
well we're we're driving up to it and

3282
02:07:33,669 --> 02:07:32,079
it's kind of raining a little bit and we

3283
02:07:34,950 --> 02:07:33,679
on the right on the side of the street

3284
02:07:36,709 --> 02:07:34,960
where it's at we look over and there's

3285
02:07:38,390 --> 02:07:36,719
nothing there as i mean it's just an

3286
02:07:40,310 --> 02:07:38,400
empty parking lot

3287
02:07:42,950 --> 02:07:40,320
so of course you know we think they

3288
02:07:44,390 --> 02:07:42,960
decided to cancel it because of the rain

3289
02:07:46,069 --> 02:07:44,400
and uh

3290
02:07:47,910 --> 02:07:46,079
when we get home and she's looking on

3291
02:07:50,470 --> 02:07:47,920
facebook and they're showing all these

3292
02:07:51,270 --> 02:07:50,480
people there and serving

3293
02:07:52,629 --> 02:07:51,280
uh

3294
02:07:55,030 --> 02:07:52,639
cupcakes and all this other kind of

3295
02:07:57,830 --> 02:07:55,040
things there and so

3296
02:07:59,510 --> 02:07:57,840
of course i assumed that it was uh

3297
02:08:01,510 --> 02:07:59,520
pictures from last year but then when we

3298
02:08:02,870 --> 02:08:01,520
got to talking to them the next time i

3299
02:08:04,550 --> 02:08:02,880
went

3300
02:08:06,069 --> 02:08:04,560
um i asked them i said well where were

3301
02:08:06,830 --> 02:08:06,079
you guys last weekend i said well we're

3302
02:08:10,069 --> 02:08:06,840
right

3303
02:08:12,310 --> 02:08:10,079
here and it's a beautiful sunny day we

3304
02:08:14,390 --> 02:08:12,320
had cupcakes we had all the same vendors

3305
02:08:16,069 --> 02:08:14,400
everything everybody was here but

3306
02:08:18,149 --> 02:08:16,079
we were right there and it wasn't there

3307
02:08:19,589 --> 02:08:18,159
for us it was an empty parking lot and

3308
02:08:21,589 --> 02:08:19,599
that's exactly

3309
02:08:23,109 --> 02:08:21,599
yeah and and adam thank you for the

3310
02:08:25,830 --> 02:08:23,119
phone call mike

3311
02:08:27,430 --> 02:08:25,840
uh adam when you

3312
02:08:28,770 --> 02:08:27,440
adam when you hear something like that

3313
02:08:31,270 --> 02:08:28,780
what what what

3314
02:08:33,589 --> 02:08:31,280
[Laughter]

3315
02:08:36,870 --> 02:08:33,599
you're a man of science right how do you

3316
02:08:38,790 --> 02:08:36,880
explain that away

3317
02:08:41,109 --> 02:08:38,800
um it got me there but you know one

3318
02:08:42,709 --> 02:08:41,119
thing i think is interesting is

3319
02:08:45,430 --> 02:08:42,719
these types of

3320
02:08:47,510 --> 02:08:45,440
reality shifting experiences tend to be

3321
02:08:49,669 --> 02:08:47,520
to be more profound

3322
02:08:52,470 --> 02:08:49,679
and less explainable

3323
02:08:53,910 --> 02:08:52,480
the fewer people are involved you know

3324
02:08:55,669 --> 02:08:53,920
we talk about mandela effects and these

3325
02:08:56,910 --> 02:08:55,679
are these are

3326
02:09:00,950 --> 02:08:56,920
collective

3327
02:09:03,750 --> 02:09:00,960
experiences of a different timeline or

3328
02:09:05,910 --> 02:09:03,760
reality right

3329
02:09:07,669 --> 02:09:05,920
but uh i think they tend to pale in

3330
02:09:09,750 --> 02:09:07,679
comparison to some of the

3331
02:09:11,109 --> 02:09:09,760
first person experiences that one or

3332
02:09:13,350 --> 02:09:11,119
maybe two

3333
02:09:15,109 --> 02:09:13,360
uh people have on their own

3334
02:09:16,310 --> 02:09:15,119
and to me i think that's significant

3335
02:09:19,589 --> 02:09:16,320
related to what we were talking about

3336
02:09:21,350 --> 02:09:19,599
before where it's easier to experience

3337
02:09:24,950 --> 02:09:21,360
unexplained

3338
02:09:26,550 --> 02:09:24,960
unconventional unlikely things if you're

3339
02:09:28,470 --> 02:09:26,560
if it's not a shared experience among

3340
02:09:30,149 --> 02:09:28,480
many many other people right well you

3341
02:09:35,189 --> 02:09:30,159
know you go to

3342
02:09:37,589 --> 02:09:35,199
it's an empty lot and you get home and

3343
02:09:40,069 --> 02:09:37,599
everybody's partying there and you're

3344
02:09:40,950 --> 02:09:40,079
right posting pictures

3345
02:09:42,629 --> 02:09:40,960
and

3346
02:09:44,310 --> 02:09:42,639
you know that's that's that's pretty

3347
02:09:46,310 --> 02:09:44,320
bizarre that's pretty bizarre i've had a

3348
02:09:47,270 --> 02:09:46,320
couple of experiences very similar to

3349
02:09:49,910 --> 02:09:47,280
that

3350
02:09:53,030 --> 02:09:49,920
and and again you know singular you know

3351
02:09:54,149 --> 02:09:53,040
with a few people as opposed to millions

3352
02:09:57,990 --> 02:09:54,159
let's go back to the phones hi you're

3353
02:10:01,910 --> 02:09:59,669
hey this is mike from michigan how's it

3354
02:10:04,870 --> 02:10:01,920
going hi mike from michigan

3355
02:10:09,030 --> 02:10:06,709
hey adam how's it going

3356
02:10:12,390 --> 02:10:09,040
hey mike good

3357
02:10:16,229 --> 02:10:14,069
i want to tell you guys what i think has

3358
02:10:17,910 --> 02:10:16,239
happened with the uh

3359
02:10:23,030 --> 02:10:17,920
mandela effect

3360
02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:26,830
okay

3361
02:10:31,430 --> 02:10:29,030
uh-huh yeah

3362
02:10:34,950 --> 02:10:32,629
well

3363
02:10:37,510 --> 02:10:34,960
he went on the uh

3364
02:10:40,870 --> 02:10:37,520
some kind of tv broadcast

3365
02:10:42,470 --> 02:10:40,880
back in the 50s it's on youtube

3366
02:10:44,470 --> 02:10:42,480
but he said he was doing

3367
02:10:46,149 --> 02:10:44,480
he was taking

3368
02:10:48,390 --> 02:10:46,159
and

3369
02:10:51,109 --> 02:10:48,400
coupling in to the earth's magnetic

3370
02:10:56,709 --> 02:10:54,310
what he was doing he was pulling back

3371
02:10:59,589 --> 02:10:56,719
old tv and radio broadcast

3372
02:11:00,629 --> 02:10:59,599
from seven years prior

3373
02:11:02,950 --> 02:11:00,639
yes

3374
02:11:05,750 --> 02:11:02,960
yeah it's a it's a it's an amazing

3375
02:11:07,750 --> 02:11:05,760
interview adam have you seen the

3376
02:11:10,870 --> 02:11:07,760
uh i think that interview actually was

3377
02:11:16,870 --> 02:11:14,550
um but uh it's uh it's george van tassel

3378
02:11:19,189 --> 02:11:16,880
and he's talking for about

3379
02:11:21,430 --> 02:11:19,199
it's about a half hour interview and in

3380
02:11:24,870 --> 02:11:21,440
the interview he says and this is what

3381
02:11:27,750 --> 02:11:24,880
is fascinating especially for you adam

3382
02:11:29,990 --> 02:11:27,760
you know you being uh california bound

3383
02:11:32,390 --> 02:11:30,000
in santa monica

3384
02:11:36,550 --> 02:11:32,400
he built a laboratory

3385
02:11:37,669 --> 02:11:36,560
that was uh able to

3386
02:11:40,790 --> 02:11:37,679
uh

3387
02:11:44,069 --> 02:11:40,800
record and see events

3388
02:11:47,430 --> 02:11:44,079
seven years in the past

3389
02:11:49,910 --> 02:11:47,440
okay and that it was out there you know

3390
02:11:52,950 --> 02:11:49,920
it was electrical and that he was given

3391
02:11:54,310 --> 02:11:52,960
the formula from e.t

3392
02:11:56,550 --> 02:11:54,320
that was the other thing that was uh

3393
02:11:58,470 --> 02:11:56,560
pretty interesting about it and that he

3394
02:12:00,550 --> 02:11:58,480
could go and view this he gave the

3395
02:12:02,709 --> 02:12:00,560
address in the street

3396
02:12:04,069 --> 02:12:02,719
in santa monica where this laboratory

3397
02:12:06,550 --> 02:12:04,079
was built

3398
02:12:07,830 --> 02:12:06,560
it's a this is a historical document

3399
02:12:09,510 --> 02:12:07,840
it's something that you should go back

3400
02:12:11,990 --> 02:12:09,520
and watch this video yourself if you

3401
02:12:14,950 --> 02:12:12,000
haven't seen it

3402
02:12:16,950 --> 02:12:14,960
out that sounds

3403
02:12:18,550 --> 02:12:16,960
amazing yeah it is it's pretty cool it's

3404
02:12:20,709 --> 02:12:18,560
pretty cool thank you for the phone call

3405
02:12:22,709 --> 02:12:20,719
mike

3406
02:12:24,629 --> 02:12:22,719
hey could you pass my number line to uh

3407
02:12:26,870 --> 02:12:24,639
adam please i got a couple of things i'd

3408
02:12:29,669 --> 02:12:26,880
like to tell them off there okay i will

3409
02:12:32,149 --> 02:12:29,679
do that i have it here thank you so much

3410
02:12:35,669 --> 02:12:32,159
thanks jimmy yeah thank you mike

3411
02:12:38,149 --> 02:12:35,679
let's uh let's keep this going here uh

3412
02:12:40,709 --> 02:12:38,159
stay with me adam i've got to bounce

3413
02:12:41,830 --> 02:12:40,719
a couple of mouse clicks around here

3414
02:12:43,910 --> 02:12:41,840
there we go

3415
02:12:45,990 --> 02:12:43,920
all right let's go here

3416
02:12:48,149 --> 02:12:46,000
next hi you're live on fade to black

3417
02:12:50,310 --> 02:12:48,159
who's calling

3418
02:12:52,950 --> 02:12:50,320
oh this is andre

3419
02:12:54,709 --> 02:12:52,960
hey andre how are you

3420
02:12:56,870 --> 02:12:54,719
i'm doing great how are you i'm doing

3421
02:12:58,550 --> 02:12:56,880
good man it's uh adam curry say hi to

3422
02:13:04,149 --> 02:12:58,560
adam

3423
02:13:06,790 --> 02:13:04,159
hey keandre what's on your mind

3424
02:13:09,030 --> 02:13:06,800
all right so i have a really interesting

3425
02:13:11,510 --> 02:13:09,040
dell effect that actually affected my

3426
02:13:14,229 --> 02:13:11,520
birth certificate

3427
02:13:18,709 --> 02:13:14,239
okay what happened

3428
02:13:21,910 --> 02:13:18,719
well i remember whenever my

3429
02:13:24,950 --> 02:13:21,920
my mother had been telling me this

3430
02:13:27,510 --> 02:13:24,960
whenever she had gone through her uh

3431
02:13:29,589 --> 02:13:27,520
document she found my birth certificate

3432
02:13:30,790 --> 02:13:29,599
and she was looking at she had noticed

3433
02:13:33,589 --> 02:13:30,800
that

3434
02:13:36,390 --> 02:13:33,599
neither her name or

3435
02:13:39,430 --> 02:13:36,400
my father's name were on it

3436
02:13:41,430 --> 02:13:39,440
and it's really interesting because she

3437
02:13:44,390 --> 02:13:41,440
went into detail

3438
02:13:46,069 --> 02:13:44,400
about everything and specifically

3439
02:13:49,030 --> 02:13:46,079
remembered song

3440
02:13:52,069 --> 02:13:49,040
won the birth certificate

3441
02:13:54,629 --> 02:13:52,079
and do you still have it

3442
02:13:56,629 --> 02:13:54,639
actually i do it's really interesting i

3443
02:13:57,750 --> 02:13:56,639
looked at it and you know

3444
02:14:00,629 --> 02:13:57,760
i uh

3445
02:14:02,229 --> 02:14:00,639
put this on twitter about it uh

3446
02:14:04,550 --> 02:14:02,239
sort of being like the same thing that

3447
02:14:09,350 --> 02:14:04,560
happened in the

3448
02:14:10,950 --> 02:14:09,360
azio 116 team wait no 11 6

3449
02:14:14,470 --> 02:14:10,960
where uh

3450
02:14:15,750 --> 02:14:14,480
the actual attacks did change from

3451
02:14:19,350 --> 02:14:15,760
uh the

3452
02:14:20,870 --> 02:14:19,360
lion shall flow with the swam

3453
02:14:23,830 --> 02:14:20,880
and

3454
02:14:28,470 --> 02:14:23,840
it had changed to the wolf out uh the

3455
02:14:33,270 --> 02:14:31,910
okay and what uh what explanation do you

3456
02:14:35,910 --> 02:14:33,280
have for this i mean what are you

3457
02:14:38,629 --> 02:14:35,920
suggesting here

3458
02:14:40,790 --> 02:14:38,639
um i don't know there's all kinds of

3459
02:14:43,589 --> 02:14:40,800
theories i've heard things about cern

3460
02:14:45,750 --> 02:14:43,599
i've heard things about uh

3461
02:14:49,350 --> 02:14:45,760
solar ascension with something with our

3462
02:14:52,149 --> 02:14:49,360
sun entering a new phase like uh

3463
02:14:54,069 --> 02:14:52,159
the 13th zodiac for uh

3464
02:14:57,430 --> 02:14:54,079
orphicus

3465
02:14:59,750 --> 02:14:57,440
and i've also heard of that um

3466
02:15:02,069 --> 02:14:59,760
time traveling theory

3467
02:15:04,310 --> 02:15:02,079
along with uh john teter and everything

3468
02:15:06,550 --> 02:15:04,320
like that as well so i'm sort of

3469
02:15:09,669 --> 02:15:06,560
confused as to like

3470
02:15:12,149 --> 02:15:09,679
what happened yeah yeah why you

3471
02:15:13,830 --> 02:15:12,159
but why you

3472
02:15:16,069 --> 02:15:13,840
i don't know that's not the only thing

3473
02:15:18,149 --> 02:15:16,079
that had happened either well i'm sure

3474
02:15:19,510 --> 02:15:18,159
there's another thing that happened was

3475
02:15:22,550 --> 02:15:19,520
uh

3476
02:15:25,669 --> 02:15:22,560
my hair had changed from being like a

3477
02:15:28,229 --> 02:15:25,679
bright blonde to being brown

3478
02:15:31,430 --> 02:15:28,239
and my eyes had changed twice they went

3479
02:15:34,390 --> 02:15:31,440
from like an emerald green to blue

3480
02:15:36,229 --> 02:15:34,400
to being like this hazel color now but

3481
02:15:37,910 --> 02:15:36,239
whose names were on the birth

3482
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:37,920
certificate did your mom know who they

3483
02:15:42,950 --> 02:15:39,840
were

3484
02:15:44,629 --> 02:15:42,960
yeah it was her name and

3485
02:15:47,669 --> 02:15:44,639
my father's name

3486
02:15:51,430 --> 02:15:47,679
her name was karatek and my father's

3487
02:15:53,669 --> 02:15:51,440
name was kenneth wagner

3488
02:15:56,149 --> 02:15:53,679
i thought you said their names weren't

3489
02:15:59,830 --> 02:15:56,159
on the birth certificate

3490
02:16:03,189 --> 02:15:59,840
it's not on it anymore oh it's changed

3491
02:16:06,709 --> 02:16:03,199
since then yeah it's like completely

3492
02:16:08,790 --> 02:16:06,719
gone okay yeah that's uh that's bizarro

3493
02:16:11,589 --> 02:16:08,800
world stuff there

3494
02:16:14,390 --> 02:16:11,599
yeah and this is the original yeah yeah

3495
02:16:16,629 --> 02:16:14,400
i i don't know the original one i never

3496
02:16:18,470 --> 02:16:16,639
had a copy of it or enough well whose

3497
02:16:21,830 --> 02:16:18,480
names are on the birth certificate whose

3498
02:16:22,790 --> 02:16:21,840
names are on the birth certificate now

3499
02:16:25,430 --> 02:16:22,800
nothing

3500
02:16:28,149 --> 02:16:25,440
they're bla it's blank

3501
02:16:29,750 --> 02:16:28,159
yeah well the only name that's one is

3502
02:16:33,270 --> 02:16:29,760
mine and then

3503
02:16:34,950 --> 02:16:33,280
like the regular uh documentation you

3504
02:16:36,230 --> 02:16:34,960
would see for a citizen yeah that's

3505
02:16:39,030 --> 02:16:36,240
pretty trippy

3506
02:16:41,750 --> 02:16:39,040
and what about uh ordering a duplicate

3507
02:16:43,429 --> 02:16:41,760
from the county

3508
02:16:46,070 --> 02:16:43,439
i don't know if i would order a

3509
02:16:49,429 --> 02:16:46,080
duplicate if i would end up getting like

3510
02:16:52,870 --> 02:16:49,439
yeah order one once with no order one

3511
02:16:55,589 --> 02:16:52,880
house yeah or not just order one but i'm

3512
02:16:58,549 --> 02:16:55,599
curious as yeah cost you 10 bucks yeah

3513
02:17:01,349 --> 02:16:58,559
order one and let us know

3514
02:17:02,309 --> 02:17:01,359
all right yeah thank you andre and uh

3515
02:17:04,790 --> 02:17:02,319
adam

3516
02:17:07,270 --> 02:17:04,800
is that mandela effect or is i mean is

3517
02:17:08,309 --> 02:17:07,280
that cern in effect and i'm not

3518
02:17:09,589 --> 02:17:08,319
you know

3519
02:17:12,830 --> 02:17:09,599
that's uh

3520
02:17:17,589 --> 02:17:12,840
uh it reminds me of uh

3521
02:17:19,190 --> 02:17:17,599
um uh michael j fox a little bit in uh

3522
02:17:20,469 --> 02:17:19,200
back to the future

3523
02:17:23,190 --> 02:17:20,479
you remember when he's looking at the

3524
02:17:24,629 --> 02:17:23,200
photograph of him and his mom uh when he

3525
02:17:26,709 --> 02:17:24,639
was uh

3526
02:17:27,910 --> 02:17:26,719
uh she was like fooling around with him

3527
02:17:29,270 --> 02:17:27,920
in the front seat of the car and he

3528
02:17:31,349 --> 02:17:29,280
looks at the picture and he starts

3529
02:17:33,349 --> 02:17:31,359
disappearing

3530
02:17:35,669 --> 02:17:33,359
i was about to bring that up yeah yeah

3531
02:17:37,429 --> 02:17:35,679
that's exactly what that sounds like

3532
02:17:39,190 --> 02:17:37,439
uh there's a couple of ways to slice

3533
02:17:42,230 --> 02:17:39,200
keiandre's experience which is a really

3534
02:17:44,629 --> 02:17:42,240
great story yes and you're right to have

3535
02:17:46,870 --> 02:17:44,639
him try to order a copy because the plot

3536
02:17:48,870 --> 02:17:46,880
will thicken based on what he gets

3537
02:17:49,990 --> 02:17:48,880
um you know one way to look at it is

3538
02:17:51,270 --> 02:17:50,000
that

3539
02:17:53,830 --> 02:17:51,280
there could be an influence from the

3540
02:17:55,270 --> 02:17:53,840
future that his his future is changing

3541
02:17:56,469 --> 02:17:55,280
the probabilities of his future are

3542
02:17:57,990 --> 02:17:56,479
changing

3543
02:17:59,910 --> 02:17:58,000
and as a result there needs to be a

3544
02:18:01,589 --> 02:17:59,920
consistent history to explain it now

3545
02:18:04,230 --> 02:18:01,599
what that is we don't know but

3546
02:18:06,549 --> 02:18:04,240
hypothetically let's say that there's

3547
02:18:07,990 --> 02:18:06,559
that keandre learns that his parents

3548
02:18:09,030 --> 02:18:08,000
aren't really his parents

3549
02:18:11,990 --> 02:18:09,040
right

3550
02:18:13,750 --> 02:18:12,000
um and what is the consistent history

3551
02:18:15,830 --> 02:18:13,760
that lines up with that well it might be

3552
02:18:17,110 --> 02:18:15,840
something as obvious as changing the

3553
02:18:18,549 --> 02:18:17,120
birth certificate you know i'm not

3554
02:18:20,629 --> 02:18:18,559
saying that's what's happening but that

3555
02:18:23,110 --> 02:18:20,639
could be a way of looking at it

3556
02:18:24,549 --> 02:18:23,120
another way of slicing this is to ask

3557
02:18:26,070 --> 02:18:24,559
this question

3558
02:18:28,150 --> 02:18:26,080
what purpose

3559
02:18:30,629 --> 02:18:28,160
does the anomaly serve

3560
02:18:31,750 --> 02:18:30,639
in this case does the fact that the

3561
02:18:33,110 --> 02:18:31,760
bizarro

3562
02:18:36,830 --> 02:18:33,120
thing with the

3563
02:18:39,190 --> 02:18:36,840
birth certificate serve a purpose to

3564
02:18:40,629 --> 02:18:39,200
keandre you know maybe

3565
02:18:41,990 --> 02:18:40,639
these types of strange things are

3566
02:18:43,750 --> 02:18:42,000
happening to him

3567
02:18:45,270 --> 02:18:43,760
because he himself is changing and

3568
02:18:46,870 --> 02:18:45,280
growing as a person

3569
02:18:49,990 --> 02:18:46,880
but it's really the changing and growing

3570
02:18:52,469 --> 02:18:50,000
as a person that sort of pull from being

3571
02:18:54,070 --> 02:18:52,479
that pull from his probable future

3572
02:18:55,990 --> 02:18:54,080
in some different direction that's

3573
02:18:57,830 --> 02:18:56,000
creating in his case

3574
02:18:59,030 --> 02:18:57,840
unexplained and weird phenomena so that

3575
02:18:59,990 --> 02:18:59,040
he goes down

3576
02:19:01,270 --> 02:19:00,000
a

3577
02:19:03,110 --> 02:19:01,280
um

3578
02:19:04,870 --> 02:19:03,120
you know he deeps deep dives into

3579
02:19:07,669 --> 02:19:04,880
thinking about reality and himself and

3580
02:19:10,150 --> 02:19:07,679
everything completely differently

3581
02:19:12,629 --> 02:19:10,160
yeah and then other names appear on the

3582
02:19:15,349 --> 02:19:12,639
birth certificate right and so in that

3583
02:19:17,030 --> 02:19:15,359
case purpose is the cause yeah right

3584
02:19:18,950 --> 02:19:17,040
right right let's go back to the phones

3585
02:19:20,389 --> 02:19:18,960
that's that was that's a pretty trippy

3586
02:19:22,549 --> 02:19:20,399
thought hi you're live on fade to black

3587
02:19:25,030 --> 02:19:22,559
who's calling

3588
02:19:27,509 --> 02:19:25,040
hello yeah you're live

3589
02:19:29,990 --> 02:19:27,519
oh hi this is satasha

3590
02:19:32,389 --> 02:19:30,000
hi natasha how are you

3591
02:19:33,589 --> 02:19:32,399
all right i'm calling from tennessee

3592
02:19:35,429 --> 02:19:33,599
i was kind

3593
02:19:37,349 --> 02:19:35,439
first time i've ever called i'm kind of

3594
02:19:39,110 --> 02:19:37,359
surprised i ain't got through yeah right

3595
02:19:40,790 --> 02:19:39,120
on well we're we're happy for you

3596
02:19:42,950 --> 02:19:40,800
natasha uh what have you got for us

3597
02:19:44,870 --> 02:19:42,960
tonight say hi to adam

3598
02:19:46,790 --> 02:19:44,880
hi adam uh i was

3599
02:19:49,510 --> 02:19:46,800
calling to talk about the mandela effect

3600
02:19:54,309 --> 02:19:49,520
too i had one when i was a kid myself

3601
02:19:57,030 --> 02:19:54,319
um when i was a child we had one like

3602
02:19:58,469 --> 02:19:57,040
the one i remember when i was a kid was

3603
02:20:01,590 --> 02:19:58,479
when uh

3604
02:20:03,670 --> 02:20:01,600
hello yeah we're listening

3605
02:20:07,030 --> 02:20:03,680
oh we lost you

3606
02:20:10,150 --> 02:20:07,040
she came in once she said hello and then

3607
02:20:12,389 --> 02:20:10,160
uh disappeared okay so with that i'll

3608
02:20:15,670 --> 02:20:12,399
just go to the next caller hi you're

3609
02:20:17,030 --> 02:20:15,680
live on fade to block who's calling

3610
02:20:19,270 --> 02:20:17,040
hi this is charlie from the puzzle

3611
02:20:21,910 --> 02:20:19,280
garden i have a question for adam okay

3612
02:20:23,270 --> 02:20:21,920
uh what's your name again

3613
02:20:25,830 --> 02:20:23,280
hari

3614
02:20:28,630 --> 02:20:25,840
the cosmic gardener i'm driving a car oh

3615
02:20:33,910 --> 02:20:28,640
you're driving a car

3616
02:20:37,990 --> 02:20:36,469
my question is is the mandela effect the

3617
02:20:39,750 --> 02:20:38,000
merging of separate timelines in our

3618
02:20:44,070 --> 02:20:39,760
co-creative consciousness is returned to

3619
02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:50,070
could be um

3620
02:20:50,080 --> 02:20:54,389
so that's a really interesting idea um

3621
02:20:58,710 --> 02:20:56,309
however i think that you could make a

3622
02:21:01,349 --> 02:20:58,720
counter example uh to which i'm a little

3623
02:21:03,670 --> 02:21:01,359
more sympathetic

3624
02:21:05,190 --> 02:21:03,680
and so it's basically his point was that

3625
02:21:06,630 --> 02:21:05,200
you could think of

3626
02:21:08,950 --> 02:21:06,640
each individual as having their own

3627
02:21:10,790 --> 02:21:08,960
bubble reality and you could think of

3628
02:21:12,870 --> 02:21:10,800
different groups of people

3629
02:21:15,110 --> 02:21:12,880
maybe a family as having their own sort

3630
02:21:16,630 --> 02:21:15,120
of shared reality experience which is

3631
02:21:19,030 --> 02:21:16,640
like a bubble reality and then you can

3632
02:21:21,110 --> 02:21:19,040
expand that to talk about

3633
02:21:23,190 --> 02:21:21,120
you know a geographical area a city a

3634
02:21:24,550 --> 02:21:23,200
country a company

3635
02:21:26,950 --> 02:21:24,560
and so you have these different kind of

3636
02:21:28,710 --> 02:21:26,960
overlapping bubble realities

3637
02:21:29,510 --> 02:21:28,720
and you can draw arbitrary lines around

3638
02:21:30,389 --> 02:21:29,520
them

3639
02:21:34,710 --> 02:21:30,399
and

3640
02:21:37,349 --> 02:21:34,720
more of a shared experience as the world

3641
02:21:40,710 --> 02:21:37,359
becomes more flat there's a decoherence

3642
02:21:43,110 --> 02:21:40,720
or a reconciliation of of overlapping

3643
02:21:46,070 --> 02:21:43,120
realities on top of each other on top of

3644
02:21:47,349 --> 02:21:46,080
each other and that resolution of those

3645
02:21:49,349 --> 02:21:47,359
overlapping

3646
02:21:51,670 --> 02:21:49,359
realities is an effect of that is what

3647
02:21:53,110 --> 02:21:51,680
we call the mandela effect um that's a

3648
02:21:55,190 --> 02:21:53,120
really elegant way of looking at it i

3649
02:21:57,830 --> 02:21:55,200
like it i actually think that half of

3650
02:21:59,830 --> 02:21:57,840
that is true but in the other direction

3651
02:22:02,469 --> 02:21:59,840
meaning we're not

3652
02:22:04,710 --> 02:22:02,479
we're not coming more together so much

3653
02:22:05,670 --> 02:22:04,720
as a species we are in a way

3654
02:22:08,309 --> 02:22:05,680
but the

3655
02:22:09,750 --> 02:22:08,319
the myriad overlapping consciousnesses

3656
02:22:10,870 --> 02:22:09,760
or bubble realities are actually

3657
02:22:12,790 --> 02:22:10,880
diverging

3658
02:22:14,150 --> 02:22:12,800
um

3659
02:22:16,230 --> 02:22:14,160
the most extreme example of this would

3660
02:22:17,990 --> 02:22:16,240
be the breakaway civilization right that

3661
02:22:20,230 --> 02:22:18,000
concept that there's groups of humans

3662
02:22:21,990 --> 02:22:20,240
that have gone off into space so they

3663
02:22:23,429 --> 02:22:22,000
live in a bubble reality that's so much

3664
02:22:25,429 --> 02:22:23,439
different than ours right and so all

3665
02:22:28,230 --> 02:22:25,439
kinds of crazy things can exist for them

3666
02:22:30,630 --> 02:22:28,240
right but for us um you know you have to

3667
02:22:32,790 --> 02:22:30,640
divide it different ways um we're not

3668
02:22:33,670 --> 02:22:32,800
really the normie types so you know we

3669
02:22:37,349 --> 02:22:33,680
can

3670
02:22:39,270 --> 02:22:37,359
and do retrocausal consciousness

3671
02:22:41,830 --> 02:22:39,280
experiments and all those kinds of stuff

3672
02:22:44,150 --> 02:22:41,840
and i actually see that trend continuing

3673
02:22:46,070 --> 02:22:44,160
meaning that a planet is maybe something

3674
02:22:48,150 --> 02:22:46,080
like a

3675
02:22:50,389 --> 02:22:48,160
a launch pad or a jumping off point for

3676
02:22:52,790 --> 02:22:50,399
different bubble realities at

3677
02:22:54,870 --> 02:22:52,800
different stages

3678
02:22:57,030 --> 02:22:54,880
however the fact that there are and

3679
02:23:00,550 --> 02:22:57,040
there does need to be an overlap of

3680
02:23:02,070 --> 02:23:00,560
individual and collective realities

3681
02:23:05,030 --> 02:23:02,080
is i think a really important point to

3682
02:23:06,469 --> 02:23:05,040
understand when it comes to sort of how

3683
02:23:09,830 --> 02:23:06,479
one person's experience can be different

3684
02:23:11,590 --> 02:23:09,840
from another but they're they're kind of

3685
02:23:13,510 --> 02:23:11,600
they both have true qualities to them

3686
02:23:15,270 --> 02:23:13,520
let's put it that way

3687
02:23:17,990 --> 02:23:15,280
and what's interesting with that and and

3688
02:23:20,309 --> 02:23:18,000
thank you for the phone call um what's

3689
02:23:21,590 --> 02:23:20,319
interesting with that is when dean

3690
02:23:24,950 --> 02:23:21,600
rayden

3691
02:23:27,750 --> 02:23:24,960
uh talks about this and he says it's not

3692
02:23:29,830 --> 02:23:27,760
you know that that people want these

3693
02:23:34,070 --> 02:23:29,840
huge

3694
02:23:35,030 --> 02:23:34,080
obvious things

3695
02:23:39,429 --> 02:23:35,040
and

3696
02:23:41,030 --> 02:23:39,439
level

3697
02:23:42,870 --> 02:23:41,040
that these changes right that they're

3698
02:23:46,309 --> 02:23:42,880
very very small

3699
02:23:48,389 --> 02:23:46,319
that's just as big of a deal as if

3700
02:23:50,389 --> 02:23:48,399
something materializes right in front of

3701
02:23:52,790 --> 02:23:50,399
you or it's you know

3702
02:23:53,910 --> 02:23:52,800
something catches on fire from the mind

3703
02:23:56,630 --> 02:23:53,920
right

3704
02:23:59,110 --> 02:23:56,640
okay that's sensational but if we're

3705
02:24:01,750 --> 02:23:59,120
getting this at the atomic level that is

3706
02:24:05,830 --> 02:24:01,760
just as big of a result

3707
02:24:09,110 --> 02:24:07,190
yeah i agree

3708
02:24:11,190 --> 02:24:09,120
um the this

3709
02:24:12,950 --> 02:24:11,200
the scale is if something is still

3710
02:24:15,190 --> 02:24:12,960
impossible but at a small scale it's

3711
02:24:16,790 --> 02:24:15,200
still impossible that's right

3712
02:24:19,429 --> 02:24:16,800
that is exactly right let's go back to

3713
02:24:20,950 --> 02:24:19,439
the phones oh i'm sorry go ahead oh well

3714
02:24:23,429 --> 02:24:20,960
and increasingly we're finding that

3715
02:24:24,550 --> 02:24:23,439
quantum effects which we've permitted to

3716
02:24:26,950 --> 02:24:24,560
exist

3717
02:24:29,110 --> 02:24:26,960
because our our biological or

3718
02:24:30,550 --> 02:24:29,120
macroscopic world isn't that weird what

3719
02:24:32,870 --> 02:24:30,560
we're finding though is that quantum

3720
02:24:34,550 --> 02:24:32,880
effects are are being seen at larger and

3721
02:24:37,830 --> 02:24:34,560
larger scales

3722
02:24:38,950 --> 02:24:37,840
including at at cellular scales

3723
02:24:39,910 --> 02:24:38,960
and so

3724
02:24:41,510 --> 02:24:39,920
we

3725
02:24:42,870 --> 02:24:41,520
through various

3726
02:24:44,389 --> 02:24:42,880
means that we're uncovering we might

3727
02:24:46,630 --> 02:24:44,399
actually be

3728
02:24:47,990 --> 02:24:46,640
uh much more prone to being affected by

3729
02:24:50,950 --> 02:24:48,000
small-scale things than we previously

3730
02:24:53,510 --> 02:24:50,960
thought well yeah i mean in in in

3731
02:24:57,110 --> 02:24:53,520
reality micro macro are the exact same

3732
02:24:59,190 --> 02:24:57,120
things if it's this sensational

3733
02:25:01,750 --> 02:24:59,200
we all affected a

3734
02:25:03,030 --> 02:25:01,760
vial of water in the past our bodies are

3735
02:25:06,070 --> 02:25:03,040
mostly water

3736
02:25:07,510 --> 02:25:06,080
uh so what does that say about

3737
02:25:09,990 --> 02:25:07,520
perhaps like the way that we think about

3738
02:25:12,630 --> 02:25:10,000
ourselves and it's it's real biological

3739
02:25:14,870 --> 02:25:12,640
impact on our bodies yeah i totally

3740
02:25:17,270 --> 02:25:14,880
there is something to that

3741
02:25:18,790 --> 02:25:17,280
you know when you think about how much

3742
02:25:24,630 --> 02:25:18,800
uh

3743
02:25:27,590 --> 02:25:24,640
affecting water like that at a grand

3744
02:25:29,270 --> 02:25:27,600
scale by the way then you are physically

3745
02:25:30,309 --> 02:25:29,280
changing most of your body right away

3746
02:25:32,710 --> 02:25:30,319
let's go back to the phones how you're

3747
02:25:35,990 --> 02:25:32,720
live on fade to black who's calling

3748
02:25:37,510 --> 02:25:36,000
hey jimmy it's nick hey nick how are you

3749
02:25:39,349 --> 02:25:37,520
good how are you doing right uh what's

3750
02:25:40,550 --> 02:25:39,359
on your mind

3751
02:25:42,550 --> 02:25:40,560
um

3752
02:25:43,510 --> 02:25:42,560
i once got a text message from the

3753
02:25:44,550 --> 02:25:43,520
future

3754
02:25:46,309 --> 02:25:44,560
you did

3755
02:25:48,309 --> 02:25:46,319
what did it say it did

3756
02:25:51,030 --> 02:25:48,319
it didn't say anything but it was this

3757
02:25:52,710 --> 02:25:51,040
is several years ago before smartphones

3758
02:25:53,990 --> 02:25:52,720
was still a flip phone

3759
02:25:56,950 --> 02:25:54,000
but

3760
02:26:00,710 --> 02:25:56,960
on the screen i would say you know

3761
02:26:01,910 --> 02:26:00,720
time stamp of when the message was sent

3762
02:26:05,510 --> 02:26:01,920
and it was

3763
02:26:07,830 --> 02:26:05,520
a few years into the future

3764
02:26:10,389 --> 02:26:07,840
the phone number that came from one of

3765
02:26:11,429 --> 02:26:10,399
the digits was a question mark

3766
02:26:12,870 --> 02:26:11,439
oh

3767
02:26:16,150 --> 02:26:12,880
really

3768
02:26:17,590 --> 02:26:16,160
can't remember

3769
02:26:19,270 --> 02:26:17,600
when exactly this happened i want to say

3770
02:26:21,270 --> 02:26:19,280
2011

3771
02:26:24,150 --> 02:26:21,280
because i know it was before

3772
02:26:25,670 --> 02:26:24,160
2012 because everyone was like

3773
02:26:28,070 --> 02:26:25,680
freaking out over

3774
02:26:31,349 --> 02:26:28,080
december 21st 2012 thing

3775
02:26:33,670 --> 02:26:31,359
and i noticed that this message was

3776
02:26:35,510 --> 02:26:33,680
at least from being on that point so i

3777
02:26:37,349 --> 02:26:35,520
was like okay as well we still have

3778
02:26:40,950 --> 02:26:37,359
something then

3779
02:26:43,910 --> 02:26:40,960
i can stop worrying about 2012.

3780
02:26:46,469 --> 02:26:43,920
and obviously you know what i'm going to

3781
02:26:48,469 --> 02:26:46,479
ask did you save the text message did

3782
02:26:50,150 --> 02:26:48,479
you email it to yourself did you do

3783
02:26:51,990 --> 02:26:50,160
something with it

3784
02:26:53,590 --> 02:26:52,000
no i didn't i showed it to my friends of

3785
02:26:55,270 --> 02:26:53,600
course but

3786
02:26:58,630 --> 02:26:55,280
i didn't i don't know if i even had a

3787
02:27:01,670 --> 02:26:58,640
way of saving the message on that thing

3788
02:27:03,429 --> 02:27:01,680
yeah 2011. yeah yeah

3789
02:27:06,309 --> 02:27:03,439
yeah you couldn't take a screenshot in

3790
02:27:08,230 --> 02:27:06,319
2011. that's pretty interesting uh a

3791
02:27:10,309 --> 02:27:08,240
text message from the future without a

3792
02:27:11,910 --> 02:27:10,319
without a message in it

3793
02:27:13,590 --> 02:27:11,920
the one thing i wish i had saved though

3794
02:27:15,270 --> 02:27:13,600
was the phone number even though one of

3795
02:27:17,990 --> 02:27:15,280
the digits was a question mark i could

3796
02:27:20,230 --> 02:27:18,000
have yeah yeah 10 chances of getting in

3797
02:27:21,590 --> 02:27:20,240
10 chances exactly and kind of like

3798
02:27:23,270 --> 02:27:21,600
called all the schools like hey is there

3799
02:27:25,270 --> 02:27:23,280
any chance that you would know me in the

3800
02:27:29,349 --> 02:27:25,280
future

3801
02:27:32,950 --> 02:27:31,270
well nick the next time it happens you

3802
02:27:34,550 --> 02:27:32,960
know what to do

3803
02:27:35,750 --> 02:27:34,560
absolutely thank you so much you'll be

3804
02:27:37,510 --> 02:27:35,760
the first to know

3805
02:27:40,150 --> 02:27:37,520
thank you thank you nick

3806
02:27:41,270 --> 02:27:40,160
and uh isn't that fascinating right

3807
02:27:43,830 --> 02:27:41,280
there

3808
02:27:46,790 --> 02:27:43,840
uh uh a text from the future you know

3809
02:27:48,790 --> 02:27:46,800
what i did get adam uh i posted this on

3810
02:27:52,309 --> 02:27:48,800
on facebook last month

3811
02:27:54,870 --> 02:27:52,319
i got an email from paypal

3812
02:27:57,190 --> 02:27:54,880
in the future

3813
02:27:59,830 --> 02:27:57,200
yeah it was funny it was like uh you

3814
02:28:02,469 --> 02:27:59,840
know it was it was a it was a uh you

3815
02:28:04,550 --> 02:28:02,479
know a spam email trying to get me to

3816
02:28:07,910 --> 02:28:04,560
click on the link right but it had the

3817
02:28:12,150 --> 02:28:09,830
and i'm looking at it

3818
02:28:13,990 --> 02:28:12,160
and i and i posted on facebook i got it

3819
02:28:15,830 --> 02:28:14,000
i got an email from the future check it

3820
02:28:18,630 --> 02:28:15,840
out i think it was uh

3821
02:28:20,309 --> 02:28:18,640
i think it was like a week off

3822
02:28:21,670 --> 02:28:20,319
i can't remember what it was but it was

3823
02:28:24,870 --> 02:28:21,680
you know and as you looked at it a

3824
02:28:27,830 --> 02:28:24,880
little bit closer it looked as legit as

3825
02:28:29,910 --> 02:28:27,840
it could be but they misspelled

3826
02:28:32,150 --> 02:28:29,920
something and they got the date wrong

3827
02:28:33,590 --> 02:28:32,160
and it was just it was just so funny in

3828
02:28:34,870 --> 02:28:33,600
the email from the future let's go back

3829
02:28:36,790 --> 02:28:34,880
to the phones how you live on fade to

3830
02:28:39,510 --> 02:28:36,800
black who's calling

3831
02:28:41,190 --> 02:28:39,520
hey jimmy this is tom from dayton ohio

3832
02:28:44,550 --> 02:28:41,200
how are you doing i'm doing good tom

3833
02:28:47,190 --> 02:28:44,560
from dayton ohio say hi to uh adam

3834
02:28:48,550 --> 02:28:47,200
hey adam uh nice to meet you how you

3835
02:28:50,389 --> 02:28:48,560
doing

3836
02:28:52,070 --> 02:28:50,399
great tom nice to meet you

3837
02:28:53,510 --> 02:28:52,080
tom we got two minutes we got two

3838
02:28:55,670 --> 02:28:53,520
minutes

3839
02:28:58,150 --> 02:28:55,680
sure uh real quick story and then uh

3840
02:29:00,790 --> 02:28:58,160
hopefully i can get some comments

3841
02:29:03,910 --> 02:29:00,800
um so i i was uh

3842
02:29:05,990 --> 02:29:03,920
on the mandela effect um i had

3843
02:29:07,990 --> 02:29:06,000
been all my life suffering from a

3844
02:29:09,590 --> 02:29:08,000
problem with sleep like where i'd hear

3845
02:29:11,670 --> 02:29:09,600
loud noises

3846
02:29:13,510 --> 02:29:11,680
and i was trying to figure out what what

3847
02:29:15,349 --> 02:29:13,520
started this i wasn't in the war or

3848
02:29:16,309 --> 02:29:15,359
anything like that and

3849
02:29:18,309 --> 02:29:16,319
and

3850
02:29:21,110 --> 02:29:18,319
i remember back in my childhood my

3851
02:29:23,429 --> 02:29:21,120
parents used to get in fights and they

3852
02:29:25,190 --> 02:29:23,439
would slam things while my brother and i

3853
02:29:27,990 --> 02:29:25,200
were trying to sleep

3854
02:29:29,910 --> 02:29:28,000
and i also had this one real old house

3855
02:29:30,950 --> 02:29:29,920
that we used to live in

3856
02:29:33,590 --> 02:29:30,960
after

3857
02:29:35,349 --> 02:29:33,600
watching the wizard of oz one night

3858
02:29:37,510 --> 02:29:35,359
i kept having these bad dreams about

3859
02:29:39,590 --> 02:29:37,520
this wicked witch that used to stalk the

3860
02:29:41,990 --> 02:29:39,600
stairways up to our room

3861
02:29:44,070 --> 02:29:42,000
and so i'd always dream about her so i

3862
02:29:47,030 --> 02:29:44,080
had this idea

3863
02:29:48,830 --> 02:29:47,040
why don't i go back in time and visit my

3864
02:29:51,670 --> 02:29:48,840
younger self

3865
02:29:53,510 --> 02:29:51,680
and like i don't know why i thought of

3866
02:29:55,590 --> 02:29:53,520
this but i said

3867
02:29:57,830 --> 02:29:55,600
on that hallway where that wicked witch

3868
02:30:00,070 --> 02:29:57,840
was i would install these blue lights

3869
02:30:01,510 --> 02:30:00,080
and then i told my younger self

3870
02:30:03,990 --> 02:30:01,520
that if ever

3871
02:30:05,910 --> 02:30:04,000
you see those blue lights on there's

3872
02:30:06,790 --> 02:30:05,920
nothing to be afraid of nothing can get

3873
02:30:10,389 --> 02:30:06,800
you

3874
02:30:12,630 --> 02:30:10,399
and then and for the loud noises

3875
02:30:15,349 --> 02:30:12,640
i gave myself

3876
02:30:17,590 --> 02:30:15,359
my younger self a set of headphones and

3877
02:30:19,190 --> 02:30:17,600
said if you see the blue light on on

3878
02:30:20,870 --> 02:30:19,200
these headphones

3879
02:30:22,550 --> 02:30:20,880
those noises will

3880
02:30:24,870 --> 02:30:22,560
no longer bother you

3881
02:30:28,469 --> 02:30:24,880
ever since i did that

3882
02:30:30,950 --> 02:30:28,479
i gotta admit i've slept wonderfully and

3883
02:30:32,469 --> 02:30:30,960
this has been like a couple years now so

3884
02:30:34,309 --> 02:30:32,479
i just thought i would share that story

3885
02:30:36,630 --> 02:30:34,319
with you since we're on this kind of

3886
02:30:40,070 --> 02:30:36,640
going back in time type of thing

3887
02:30:43,190 --> 02:30:40,080
and uh giving yourself advice yeah

3888
02:30:45,349 --> 02:30:43,200
yeah yeah and why not i mean if if

3889
02:30:47,830 --> 02:30:45,359
everything else works why wouldn't that

3890
02:30:50,469 --> 02:30:47,840
work and of course this was you know

3891
02:30:51,910 --> 02:30:50,479
over a year ago when i did this but

3892
02:30:54,710 --> 02:30:51,920
um you know what do you guys think about

3893
02:30:56,710 --> 02:30:54,720
that well you slept like a baby sense

3894
02:30:59,590 --> 02:30:56,720
tom but i'm gonna hand this over to adam

3895
02:31:01,590 --> 02:30:59,600
adam did he affect the past

3896
02:31:02,469 --> 02:31:01,600
well you very well may have you know you

3897
02:31:03,670 --> 02:31:02,479
could

3898
02:31:05,190 --> 02:31:03,680
you never really

3899
02:31:07,510 --> 02:31:05,200
disentangle

3900
02:31:08,309 --> 02:31:07,520
retro causality or affecting the past

3901
02:31:11,910 --> 02:31:08,319
with

3902
02:31:13,270 --> 02:31:11,920
something that's in information from the

3903
02:31:14,870 --> 02:31:13,280
future in some ways they're both

3904
02:31:16,230 --> 02:31:14,880
happening at once

3905
02:31:17,830 --> 02:31:16,240
just different ways of talking about the

3906
02:31:19,750 --> 02:31:17,840
same event

3907
02:31:22,790 --> 02:31:19,760
but i think that you know maybe for the

3908
02:31:25,349 --> 02:31:22,800
audience start playing with this idea of

3909
02:31:27,510 --> 02:31:25,359
visiting yourself in the past

3910
02:31:29,830 --> 02:31:27,520
and giving yourself messages

3911
02:31:32,309 --> 02:31:29,840
and maybe even go a little further and

3912
02:31:34,870 --> 02:31:32,319
start visiting things mentally in the

3913
02:31:36,389 --> 02:31:34,880
past and trying to find evidence for it

3914
02:31:38,469 --> 02:31:36,399
in the future

3915
02:31:39,910 --> 02:31:38,479
sounds a little crazy but

3916
02:31:41,270 --> 02:31:39,920
sometimes the results are very

3917
02:31:42,630 --> 02:31:41,280
interesting

3918
02:31:44,550 --> 02:31:42,640
what you're doing is you're affecting

3919
02:31:45,990 --> 02:31:44,560
the consistent history

3920
02:31:48,230 --> 02:31:46,000
to create a new consistent history

3921
02:31:50,550 --> 02:31:48,240
that's more congruent with um

3922
02:31:52,630 --> 02:31:50,560
you know the present reality and you

3923
02:31:55,590 --> 02:31:52,640
know one of the things that's a common

3924
02:31:58,230 --> 02:31:55,600
element among these

3925
02:32:00,950 --> 02:31:58,240
experiences like toms

3926
02:32:02,070 --> 02:32:00,960
is that there's meaningfulness involved

3927
02:32:04,309 --> 02:32:02,080
and uh you know when you're trying to

3928
02:32:07,349 --> 02:32:04,319
solve a crime you say follow the money

3929
02:32:09,270 --> 02:32:07,359
well if you're trying to figure out the

3930
02:32:11,030 --> 02:32:09,280
the real

3931
02:32:13,270 --> 02:32:11,040
the primary it's called the primary

3932
02:32:15,190 --> 02:32:13,280
cause of certain of these unexplained

3933
02:32:16,389 --> 02:32:15,200
things or unusual things follow the

3934
02:32:19,590 --> 02:32:16,399
meaningfulness because the

3935
02:32:21,910 --> 02:32:19,600
meaningfulness will often point to

3936
02:32:23,830 --> 02:32:21,920
and will often in fact be the thing that

3937
02:32:27,670 --> 02:32:23,840
kind of closes the loop on this cause

3938
02:32:29,830 --> 02:32:27,680
effect stuff so maybe tom

3939
02:32:32,469 --> 02:32:29,840
maybe it was deeply meaningful for him

3940
02:32:34,389 --> 02:32:32,479
to have that uh conversation with

3941
02:32:35,510 --> 02:32:34,399
himself um

3942
02:32:38,389 --> 02:32:35,520
and uh

3943
02:32:40,870 --> 02:32:38,399
and thereby get better sleep yeah

3944
02:32:42,790 --> 02:32:40,880
absolutely adam tom thank you for the

3945
02:32:45,110 --> 02:32:42,800
phone call adam

3946
02:32:47,429 --> 02:32:45,120
we'll see you at contact in the desert

3947
02:32:49,670 --> 02:32:47,439
uh coming up at the end of may i really

3948
02:32:51,830 --> 02:32:49,680
look forward to uh hanging out with you

3949
02:32:53,429 --> 02:32:51,840
once again and as soon as we get this

3950
02:32:55,429 --> 02:32:53,439
app launched

3951
02:32:57,349 --> 02:32:55,439
uh which uh i know you're gonna tell me

3952
02:33:00,150 --> 02:32:57,359
it'll be next month but as soon as you

3953
02:33:02,070 --> 02:33:00,160
get the app launched uh we'll get you

3954
02:33:03,190 --> 02:33:02,080
back on the show is it gonna be ready by

3955
02:33:05,110 --> 02:33:03,200
contact

3956
02:33:07,110 --> 02:33:05,120
it will not it will not there you go

3957
02:33:11,389 --> 02:33:07,120
there's your answer everybody now you

3958
02:33:13,190 --> 02:33:11,399
can go uh and check out adam at uh

3959
02:33:15,030 --> 02:33:13,200
entangled.org the links are at

3960
02:33:17,510 --> 02:33:15,040
jimmychurchradio.com

3961
02:33:20,710 --> 02:33:17,520
very simple and of course follow adam on

3962
02:33:22,790 --> 02:33:20,720
twitter at adam's lab adam thank you so

3963
02:33:24,790 --> 02:33:22,800
much it was worth the five-year wait my

3964
02:33:27,030 --> 02:33:24,800
man thank you so much

3965
02:33:30,230 --> 02:33:27,040
my pleasure talk to you next time adam

3966
02:33:32,950 --> 02:33:30,240
curry again it is entangled.org the

3967
02:33:34,469 --> 02:33:32,960
links are over at jimmychurchradio.com

3968
02:33:36,389 --> 02:33:34,479
thank you to everybody that called in

3969
02:33:38,389 --> 02:33:36,399
tonight and everybody that participated

3970
02:33:42,309 --> 02:33:38,399
in our little experiment

3971
02:33:44,150 --> 02:33:42,319
twitter was on fire thank all of you

3972
02:33:46,469 --> 02:33:44,160
beta black's executive producer is

3973
02:33:48,710 --> 02:33:46,479
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3974
02:33:51,270 --> 02:33:48,720
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3975
02:33:53,510 --> 02:33:51,280
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3976
02:33:56,670 --> 02:33:53,520
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3977
02:33:58,230 --> 02:33:56,680
aldridge intro space boy

3978
02:34:00,230 --> 02:33:58,240
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3979
02:34:01,990 --> 02:34:00,240
fade to black is produced by kjcr for

3980
02:34:03,590 --> 02:34:02,000
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3981
02:34:04,790 --> 02:34:03,600
is kgra

3982
02:34:07,190 --> 02:34:04,800
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3983
02:34:08,790 --> 02:34:07,200
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3984
02:34:10,950 --> 02:34:08,800
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3985
02:34:12,790 --> 02:34:10,960
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3986
02:34:15,030 --> 02:34:12,800
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3987
02:34:16,870 --> 02:34:15,040
the known universe without written

3988
02:34:19,349 --> 02:34:16,880
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3989
02:34:20,469 --> 02:34:19,359
game changer network army host jimmy

3990
02:34:22,469 --> 02:34:20,479
church

3991
02:34:24,710 --> 02:34:22,479
tomorrow night right here

3992
02:34:27,750 --> 02:34:24,720
right here mj binayas

3993
02:34:31,030 --> 02:34:27,760
and his new book the ufo people until

3994
02:34:34,420 --> 02:34:31,040
then everybody be safe

3995
02:34:44,790 --> 02:34:34,430
go backly teppy

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02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:48,990
wow

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02:35:53,830 --> 02:35:08,020
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